"From PE to MMO"- Minuteman's Orgasmic log

[Minuteman]

Did an interesting experiment (and a pretty good session) yesterday.

There is many talk on this forum about the bad effect of porn to premature ejaculation etc. In a way I started to see porn (which i began to watch again yesterday) as a sort of medicine that when used allot or without though is damaging.

So I decided to used the good sides of porn in order to achieve something. Now as you may know most people when having a DO have that problem of not being able to get it up again as the brain just doesn't get it. Well why not use porn as the source of arousal.

What I did is that i jerked of while watching porn (which most of the time ended in premature ejaculation, due to not maching tempos and many other stuff I already have written about here). Now since I still have premature ejaculation problems in some specific conditions I used that in order to train my DOs. Since i would DO pretty fast, without porn, i would just go limp, but since I had a good source of arousal I kept coming back and DOing again. I probably DOed around 5-6 times. Of course it wasn't chained I made breaks etc but I made it a task to do as many DOs i can before my night session.

Now my night session was in bed with all the stuff turned of just me,myself and I. And I had a pretty good session (since my brain now haves new material to play back). During that of course (I would not be I if i always didn't try out something new) instead of relaxing my body I made it flex and thinght just as my pelvic floor is in order to make the preasure on all of my body the same.

The result of that was pretty good because since I haven't got any premature reflexes form the strong grip I have been playing with these last sessions, and I found it much arousing to keep all of my body flexed (but not constant cause that would not be that healthy) and as if I had to pull some large boulder (mouth either closed shut or wide open, my abs where constantly engaged, my hand that i didn't use at the time was gripping the bed sheats in a way a cat would do "grasp then release, grasp then release" and so on) I tried to use as many muscles I had, ant the result was that my arousal spread trough my body pretty fast resulting In a very good 30-35 minute session of constant non-stop hard grip stimulation.

Then as I decided to end the session I had a clean DO, but since I have been practicing DOs with porn that night I remained IRON hard even after a pretty strong DO (that was now even stronger since I have been using all of my body to clench). I had to stop however since my penis started to hurt from the grip and I was honestly afraid i was gonna pop some blood vessel in brain or go insane, since I wasn't exactly fit at the moment. As an added bonus i felt allmoust none of the typical loss of feelings in my dick.

In conclusion:

This experiment was ment for overcoming the DO, it was not aimed in fixing the premature ejaculation problems (even though it obviously helps)

- You can use pron to train your brain to overcome the PIT falls of DO
- In order to make wave orgams appear faster engage all of your body in your session or sex, since the clenching of the muscles helps the "energy" to spread faster.


How would have know that flexing and engaging the muscles (as opposed to relax everyting) would help.

How ever, engaging muscles for a long time can overstrain oneself (I for example now have a slight headache but my dick seems ok, i did a quick session in the morning in order to dump all that is left from those DOs).

So the ideal would be to know when to strain and when to relax. I had one of the most propounced and string wave orgasms during this session thanks to the strining but and it did make me feel stronger after DO and all that, but it also made my head hurt from strain. Usually when i preform wave orgasm with relaxed muscles and a lighter grip it is more like the gentle embrace, while this was like i had sex with myself (I know it way sound sick but that is how i felt).

I will continue to experiment with this in future and try to find the right amount of straining and relaxment in future. It is also a good workout.

[Minuteman]

Tried chaining several DOs (am able since i started using porn to overcome my DO pitfall) very closely i keep getting better at this the more I try to chain (in order to have hard wave orgasms) the better i become in preforming regular clean DOs. It is very intense my head (the big one, on my shoulders ) started hurting a little probably from the strangth of the kegels and the strain.

For hard wave orgasms kegel stamina and strength (at least in the beginning) is a must in order to avoid over straining. Hard wave orgams feel like bazooka shots.

[Minuteman]

Update: training (via porn) gets some excelent results in my nighttime(bedtime) session (noting except me, bed, darkness and imagination) i have managed to preform a perfect DO. Meaning, no EQ drop, no desentialization and didn't end up in PONR again (like it never happen) and it was an extremly strong orgasm and spasms. I did it as a direct culmination of a 35-40 minutes long intense session without stops (I basically crashed full speed into a brick wall, i never do that, somehow at that point I had more courage to do it) and it worked flawlessly. I continued a little while (10-15 minutes) just to verify and try to reach another PONR just in case.

So there it is, it is possible to have a DO and continue like nothing happened, and i did it with bracing and technique, i can't even imagine how easy will it be once i train up my pelvic floor muscles.

[irheretogrow]

Good job MM, when I was on porn's I did a very good DO(didn't what was that at that time) didn't lost my EQ and it took so long to reach another PONR it seemed so strange for me, but I did involuntary no technique , I gotta learn that too, thanks for sharing !

[Wentworth]

When I DO, I am able to keep it up after some EQ loss at first but usually it returns to 100% fairly soon, especially during sex. What does interest me is how easy it is to lose the erection afterwards. Before I orgasm at all I am rock hard and stay that way for a while, even without stimulation, but after a DO if Im not constantly playing with it then I will lose erection more quickly. Also, if I have a DO once, then manage to get another orgasm, which takes a while, my erection after the second orgasm is more permanent and doesnt want to go away, even after the orgasm. I wonder if this is because I have trained my brain to make my dick stay hard even after an orgasm?

[Pegasus]

Yes Wentworth this is believed to be a trainable neuromuscular effect.

[Minuteman]

I think i have been running away a little from reverse kegels since i have never been quite sure how to do them even if i know how to do them (weird huh) so i have decided to try out a r kegel/root lock only routine and see how it goes.

Also I will revisit the master list and make it more structired (probably a total overhaul) as i gain more insight in reverse kegels.

For starters i will do 50 rk (reverse kegels) and 50 rrl (reverse root locks) in morning and before bed while flacid probably before edging i will try to be as consistent as posible. I am doing 50 of each in order to master the difference more precisely so that in future i can better focus on the reverse kegels.

I will probably start with a variation of reverse kegel where you preform a very small (and precise since i have the skill to do that) kegel and then a reverse kegel, lowering the intentisty of the kegel as i gain "skill".

The goal is to be able to preform a reverse kegel of any intensity i desire anytime i want while totaly isolated



About the exercises structure i plan to make a separate list for regular kegel/root lock and reverse kegel/ reverse root lock. So it will kinda be like this:

EXERCISE NAME kegel/root lock or EXERCISE NAME reverse kegel/ reverse root lock

Overall/overview DESCRIPTION: Yada Yadda yadda it is good for you yadda da, may people don't to them yadda yadda

How to:

Variation details:

flacid state: Will contain the point of doing it while flaccid and what have I and other who proctice this way encounter.

erect state:

ponr state: Will contain information abut the infulence of this exercise on your PONR and other ponr related stuff.

ejaculation and post ejaculation: will contain details about this if needed be.

DO and post DO (aka MMO corner): will contain information showing the abiltity to overcome a DO pitfall and other stuff.

Other: Other

Member contribution and credits:

Obviously root lock and reverse root locks are not that important so i will just point out their use if needed be. Of course this is a early draft.

[irheretogrow]

You really seem a master of Kegels from what I've seen, how long have you lasted when you did sex and did you lost EQ when avoided cumming ? sorry but I'm so curious...

[Minuteman]

It is written somewhere in this topic, search around a little

[Minuteman]

Also, since i have begun this reverse kegel only routine, during my edging i will try to control the flow only with a reverse kegel (eventually learning how to DO with reverse kegel etc), the other reason for this is to see if my control, techinque and knowledge will stay even if i don't preform the DO anymore (well not until i learn how to do it with reverse kegel which is at least 3-4 months) and to see if it sticks on the longer durations of time.