"From PE to MMO"- Minuteman's Orgasmic log

[Minuteman]

Thank you, if you noticed i did request a sticky on pe zens thread (seventh page), so this is just a confirmation that pe zen is right about reverse kegels and stuff.

[Pegasus]

Actually pe zen and I use different methods, but I think there should be alternate views on a forum like this. A number of guys have had success with it also.

[Minuteman]

Yeah, now i notice that. I do the reverse kegel when i notice an unconscious flex (in other words i flex then reverse kegel, the kegel after that is just a bonus but maybe i should do that one.... ), and you and pe zen do that at the point of no return, but before the flex.

Form the way i see it, pe zen method is a specialized and more difficult method of the one I described here, and more plesurable since there is more tension at the PONR. Probably when I'm good enough at this method i will start to use pe zen's. Tnx for making me aware of that difference.

[Pegasus]

I have commented a number of times on Pe Zen's thread because I like his work and feel I can contribute. However, my method for avoiding premature issues or delayed ejaculation, (which I used to have) is male multi orgasm (mmo). I use kegels ,reverse kegels and specific training to seperate ejaculation and orgasm in a sense going through the ponr.

[Minuteman]

Today i played around a little and while edgeing i decided to ejaculate (my premature ejaculation was going on and off, it is still there but at least it is a sign of change). I slowly brought myself to PONR and then slowly edged to take notice of my muscles, as soon as there was a contraction i stopped it mid way with an reverse kegel (and ressumed edgeing), and for a little while it worked but since my kegel was stronger then my reverse kegel i couldn't hold on for much longer, i decided not to do a regular kegel hold on the second flex in order to avoid retro ejaculation, my train of thought that the regular strong kegel ( in order to achive DO amongst preventing PE) should be done on the first flex.

The interesting thing is that if you edge your self slowly past the PONR the first flex is much slower then the rest of them wich are rapid. In that time you have an ample time to decide wich of the kegels to do and stop the first flex/spasm midway. One would just prolong your normal erection (ie reverse kegel) and other one (the normal kegel) would take you beyond ponr.

The problem with this is that when it is Autumn I am more fatigued when ejaculating so i can't to it allot in order to test it, but it is a good thing maybe since i should take it slow. Another good thing that i noticed is a positive change in my altitude. I'm no longer frustrated when cumming, and that means allot. I remember before when i was trying to last longer i would be very frustrated when the initial pleasure of ejaculating subsides, to i point to where i decided to no longer masturbate since it brought me nothing but frustation. Well that is it for now

[Minuteman]

Time for another bump. Today i tried something else which came somewhat naturally. Frst i noticed that i can really rise my duration by letting the penis to be totally erceted and then edging, in my case i thing that edging while semi-erect triggers the psychological side of my premature ejaculation.

What I did was this. First of all i sloooowly edged my self to PONR, several times, then at the very point of the PONR i would stop and sloooowly balloon myself, to the next PONR since i was already at the first PONR and letting my self maybe a second or so to calm myself, i rapidly got to next then next then next

At that point my body and my mind slowly but certainly got the hang of the PONR and that first flex, I noted also that that flex can be stopped in a third way. First was kegeling, other was reverse kegeling and the third and the most difficult one was by just stopping. Why is that? It is the hardest since you have to slowly balloon yourself to PONR and stop your self at the very beggining of the flex (in other words the point where muscles PREPARES TO FLEX), so that the nerves send the message to the brain that it was a false alarm. It may sound stupid, but it works try it and see.

But i'm not at the end of today's bump. Since i fugured that out i decided to use some strong kegels and balloon myself trough PONR, it was hard and tense (and very plesurable if i can say so ). Since my precision was good, i held my kegel hard a half of second before the first flex and balloond myself over PONR. The result was that i locked my muscle. The spasms started and it begain to hurt but i held on, but alas my kegel wasn't to strong and for a second i let go and another flex happend (and i never hold the second flex because i don't want to retro...).

Even if i failed, something very interesing happend. As i ejaculated i started to orgasm it was but a half or second LATER then ejaculation but i felt it and my mind and body realized that the ejaculation and orgasm aren't the same. If i had stronger muscles down there that would be my first DO but, i'm not sad Rome wasn't build in an day.

Now a question for the men versed in DO and MMO. Does it hurt when you have DO, i mean does it hurt at the pelvic floor muscles? Also was this a good try at the do or did i got the tings wrong? That is it for now, i will rest my muscles and penis for few days they deserved it.

EDIT: One more question. Do you have spasms during DO? The answer is logical but I have to ask anyway because i don't want to oversee something.

[Minuteman]

Well time for something new, at lest for me.

In the past few days in notice that ballooning at the ponr gave me more and more pleasure. Today's session started as usual, but at some point (i don't remember when) i got at the PONR and started edging myself. The really weird thing was that i couldn't go over PONR i somehow was stuck at ponr. I can't even describe the amount of pleasure i felt, it was like my whole body was plugged in electric, with each edge i felt more and more pleasure. I really thought that i would go insane. It was even better than when i orgasm, and i know it wasn't DO or MMO because i didn't kegel at all during first session, and i know it wasn't the usual edgeing since i could never last even a second once that felling took over, and now i was like 15-20 minutes (or maybe more who knows) in that sensation.

I used no kegles, nothing, i was so horny (maybe better word would be enlightened ) i actually started breathing deep and stuff, i was completely taken over by the sensation. I have no idea how long it lasted but i did not ejaculate, which proven to be a very good thing since i remained not horny but like i transcended something. Like some relevation. I know this might sound lame, but i really reached the hights of pleasure that i didn't know that could be possible. Is simply wasn't horny i was enjoying.

Later i tried again and got into the same felling but not much intesity, and at the end of that second session i ejaculated. (something was missing.... but i felt satisfacted)

I know one thing, during edging i tried to be honest to my self more, i remember smiling and twitching, making noises, i even bit my lip really hard(?!). In other words i didn't constrain my reactions i just allowed the sensation to take over. It was great. Also during much of the process i kept my eyes closed and didn't concentrate on my energy i just observed.

I did one more thing later in the second session and that wast to do a reverse kegel while BREATHING IN, and the normal kegel while BREATING OUT. This is also very good since i was almoust leaking pre-cum.

I felt like i discovered chocolate all over again

So did anyone felt something like that?

[Pegasus]

This sounds like mmo mm ,you were having rolling orgasms. I like the descripition.

You will find the kegels were unconcious and thus perfectly timed ,rolling with the wave. When this occurs you don't need as much kegel strength.

Of course rolling orgasms feel different to single ones, great isn't it.

[Minuteman]

This sounds like mmo mm ,you were having rolling orgasms. I like the descripition.

You will find the kegels were unconcious and thus perfectly timed ,rolling with the wave. When this occurs you don't need as much kegel strength.

Of course rolling orgasms feel different to single ones, great isn't it.

Yeah, feels otherworldly.

Time for another positive update.

Inspired by yesterday's achievement i woke up with an erection and decided to give it a go once more. I edged about 20-30 minutes feeling great but not achieving the feat from yesterday. As i was closing to the PNOR i decided to stop since i could feel the way i felt back then. But that moments where so sweet that i give my self and edge or tow just to recall the feeling, and of course i stepped over PNOR and right into ejaculation. But suddenly i instinctively did a kegel. It really wasn't a hard one it was feeling very natrural. I also clenched my teeth, closed my eyes and bended my toes. After it had passed i knew that it was a clean DO. There where no spasms, no swelling under the balls, no "i can't touch my pennis anymore ". But it began to shrink, and i tried to keep him up but he wasn't interested. So i quickly turned on my PC and played some porn, and he was once again erect, but his maximum EQ was a little lover than before. I also felt no need to continue but not because i couldn't but because i won't. Then i went to toilet to urinate, the urine was clean. And then i was 98% sure it was a DO.

Was it?

[Pegasus]

Ok this is all good, glad I linked this thread.