"From PE to MMO"- Minuteman's Orgasmic log

[An7]

Hi minuteman
I recently stumbled upon this thread and have been reading through it for the last few days. I have pe and have been following your pelvic floor routine for a few months now (albeit very slowly, I've been spending a good few weeks on each sub level). Towards the beginning of last week I started edging and have seen some good progress especially since finding this thread. I've been really paying attention to what could be the cause for my pe (involuntary keels I believe) and also what happens at and around the PONR.

I attempted my first DO yesterday which did not work at all, and I noticed something odd in doing this (or at least I think so). When I am at PONR and am about to ejeculate, for me the first spasm is in fact a keel hold. The PC tenses for 3-5 seconds then flexes a few times and it is with these flexes that I start to ejeculate. If I stop stimulating during this period where my pc is tense, I will not ejeculate nor orgasm, therefore how can I possibly have a DO? If I leave alone a few seconds after this then start stimulating again, I again come to the PONR and the process is repeated. Or if I continue to stimulate during this period where the pc is tense it then starts to flex (spasm) and I ejeculate/orgasm.

is this normal or have I got something completely misunderstood? Looking for some clarification please and thank you!

[ammonite]

I have exactly the same experience (in fact my kegel hold lasts for longer than yours, up to 10 seconds, depening on how hard I try to avoid it), though because DO is not currently a primary goal for me I haven't made much progress dealing with it. I have tried getting very slowly towards the PONR without tensing up, then slowing the stroke rate right down. By doing this, I have been able to get closer to the PONR before the kegel hold starts, but I can't get rid off it. I am unable to orgasm without this kegel hold, so there isn't really anything I can do about it at the moment. Then, when the hold stops and the flexes (I call them spasms) begins, I can't do a kegel hold to stop them, no matter how hard I try.

I discussed this a while ago:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...tml#post876570

Do you also find that orgasm happens before ejaculation, or do both happen simultaneously for you? There is quite a bit of discussion in the link I posted, so I hope you can find a way around this, because it will benefit me too :P

[Minuteman]

Ammonite answered it pretty much the way I would and also be sure to follow the link noted in his post, while I can't help you in this matter it seems that ammonite is not a lone case, and that may be a good thing.

It might be a wild guess but maybe the hold is a consequence of a tight pelvic floor, maybe both of you still have a tight pelvic floor, or it was because of some habit. But it seems to occur on the unconscious level is what confuses me into thinking that all males should have it even though when I ejaculate I don't have the hold both of you are referring to, but I have the pressure and tension build up probably due to the fluids that make the pelvic floor feel tighter (but my spasms are clear and well defined), it just might be that the build up in question is rather strong for the both of you.

If that is the case then it might be a good idea to try and stop the first spasm after the hold and see what happens, although I would suggest going along a little further with the exercises before you do it again. The more exercises you do the more control and the better you will notice things.

[An7]

I had something happen during my edging session today that has never happened before, i think it may have been DO followed by wave orgasm but im not too sure since my orgasms are always weak anyway so its hard to tell.

I edged for around 10-15 mins before i reached PONR for the first time. I held the already unconcious kegel hold until it passed and after this i spent a solid 20+ minutes of masturbating without reaching PONR again or feeling the need to ejeculate. No matter how i gripped or what position i was in i could just keep going. What does this sound like to you?

[Minuteman]

I had something happen during my edging session today that has never happened before, i think it may have been DO followed by wave orgasm but im not too sure since my orgasms are always weak anyway so its hard to tell.

I edged for around 10-15 mins before i reached PONR for the first time. I held the already unconcious kegel hold until it passed and after this i spent a solid 20+ minutes of masturbating without reaching PONR again or feeling the need to ejeculate. No matter how i gripped or what position i was in i could just keep going. What does this sound like to you?

Rather than DO it was more like you slipped in a zone, I have this happening to me from time to time (even got a few entries in this log in the beginning I think) where after some time spent near PONR i simply gain the ability to last as long as I want, unfortunately I can't control when of if it happens.

Never the less it was a big confidence boost when I had it because it showed me that I was capable of actually lasting longer.

[An7]

Strangely i had the exact same thing happen this morning. I think this is definitely a step in the right direction and this will prove quite a useful tool!

[Minuteman]

Strangely i had the exact same thing happen this morning. I think this is definitely a step in the right direction and this will prove quite a useful tool!

Try not to rely to much on it if you can because if you happen to lose it you will be very frustrated, it is in some way similar to the soft-wave way of thinking where if you pursuit it you wont find it, and if you let it come in time it will. Although this isn't preventing you from better observing how exactly you go into that, but rather than driving your self to repeat the actions just make a note of them (and/or share them here) and after a few sessions you will have a general idea. For example I know the signs of when I am about to go in the zone but it is almost impossible for me to reproduce those because both your body and your mind have to be in a specific state.

For example I noticed two distinct ways I can go into the zone. One is by prolonged edging near the PONR that is focusing mostly on staying near PONR and nothing else, then after 10-15 minutes of that I might overcome it and be in the zone, but more often then not is is an uphill battle, I can usually achieve this when I wake up and am still half-awake half asleep and really in tune with my body, or at night when everything is silent and I have been aroused the whole day (most from the 3day routine etc), this also has the highest chance for me to go straight into soft-wave orgasms.

The second way is after an relaxing 10-15 minutes jogging I return and start a session in a more energetic manner then when I come to PONR I fight to overcome it by being more physically engaged in the process. Since I was relaxed but activated from the jogging I feel much more in control and much more grounded and I am able to do it more often than not. The problem here is that if I jog to much I am to tired and if I don't jog enough it doesn't have the same effect, the orgasm with ejaculation that I have at the end of this type of session is usually very powerful and energizing, so much so that I feel the need to move and am unable to be still (so I usually do some exercises to expend that energy). The orgasm from soft-wave is more of an enlightening experience that makes you appreciate life more (as esoteric as it may sound) and feel in tune, it doesn't have the pure animalistic energy that the full body orgasm from this kind of session has.

The last and the hardest way for me is to gradually start the edging session, this is problematic since I need just the right amount of arousal at just the right pace, this comes very rarely but when it comes it is probably the best of the three because even after I get out of the zone I am able to either go into soft-wave orgasms or a very satisfying full body orgasm. While there are times when I can pull this off without much effort there are times where months pass without me being able to even come close to this. One thing about premature ejaculation is that there are always going to be bad days and learing how to deal with those days is one of, if not the most, important things when fixing premature ejaculation.

The most gratifying experiences form me on my journey is when I was able to make a fantastic session of a session that had all the signs of a terrible session. From some of those, observations like those about the zone, soft-wave orgasms etc where created.

[Damon2014]

I would like to know the answer of this question:

7. Isn't ballooning and start-and-stop bad for your prostate, since it leaves some fluid in your prostate?

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Not-E...th-43586.shtml


Thanks

[Minuteman]

I would like to know the answer of this question:

7. Isn't ballooning and start-and-stop bad for your prostate, since it leaves some fluid in your prostate?

Not Ejaculating is Very Dangerous for Men's Health - Softpedia


Thanks

I did note several times that having fluids in your prostate for an increased amount of time is not good for the prostate. But it general as log as you ejaculate during the day you had the edging session it should be ok since ejaculation expels the fluids out. As for some things like 3day routine etc users are encouraged not to do the routine frequently.

As for the dry orgasms since we are on that topic, it is a good practice to ejaculate at the end of the edging session that includes dry orgasm.

Also the article title itself is misleading since it says in the text that:

Even if a study published in The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) does not link ejaculation frequency, a measure of sexual activity, with a higher risk for prostate cancer, a high ejaculation frequency may be linked to a decreased risk of prostate cancer.

[Minuteman]

In this post will write about the considerations you should make when selecting your first pelvic floor routine so this post is mostly aimed at beginners. So in this text, when I write beginners I mostly refer to members of this forum that are new to kegels etc.

In order to provide proper pelvic floor balance one must learn how to relax it, for that I found that wall squats (while gently inflating the pelvic floor) are probably the best way for a beginner to get acquainted with reverse kegel movement, and for many they don't even need to go with reverse kegels.

The more experience I get, the more I understand just how important are all the muscles surrounding the pelvic floor, and how better it is to exercise them all in unison rather than just target specific muscles.

Does this mean that kegels and reverse kegels and other pelvic floor movements are useless? No, but it is important to know when to do them. Both kegels and root locks are very good exercises but they target every limited number of muscles.

Movement during sex is complex and strenuous and it requires more muscles than just pelvic floor muscles to have a good level of stamina and stability, the problem is that if your other muscles are not as strong as your pelvic floor "expects" them to be you will simply not be able to last long. The problem is also that if the muscles are weak they will become more and more tense during and will take much more effort to make them relaxed because it is the way the strain affects them.

I am writing about this because I have done pelvic floor isolation exercises first (and to a great extent) and compound movements later on, so I have insight on just how useful both are, and how important is knowing when to use them.

The problem with going kegel first is that while you are fixing your pelvic floor and strengthening it your other muscles do not receive the same benefit. My ability to endure high arousal and be less sensitive to spikes have risen considerably as I started to strengthen my legs and my core trough squats.

So if you are considering having a pelvic floor routine to help you with your premature ejaculation take in account your fitness level first. If you are active in the gym then you possess both the proper mindset and a much better knowledge of your body then other beginners and will actually benefit much more from the pelvic floor routine then other beginners (and even then it is a good idea to first start with reverse kegel only routine and observe the changes).

As I exercised more with compound movements I was amazed to how little I know my body during strain and in general, and that comes from the person who has spend quite a lot of time getting to know his pelvic floor and overall body response to arousal.

In regards to selecting a good beginner routine a 5x5 is probably the most popular (just google 5x5) and in order to acquire full body conditioning in order to benefit best from the pelvic floor routine (if you even need it at that point) around 2-3 months is probably enough, start with the minimum of weight and progress slowly, the point is to get to know your body better trough this exercises, do not allow your ego to drive your progress, if you are reserved and careful the progress will come and it will simply feel more natural to use heavier wights with time.

There is a problem however, because most beginners who are not active in the gym simply don't know where to start (other may even have prejudices about weight training), and not only that but compound movements like squat and deadlift when done with proper form (which is of utmost importance) are very high in complexity, and rushing or doing them with bad form will lead to injury. Learning how to do a proper squat and deadlift and pretty much any compound exercises takes time and diligence to do right, thankfully there are allot of good guides on the Internet about it.

However, this doesn't mean that one should not even attempt do to a squat or a deadlift without a in depth knowledge about it, that is the reason one should start with no weight on the barbell and slowly progress. The best way to work is by doing and then checking articles from time to time and learning more and more about the specific exercise.

As with edging and pelvic floor exercises, always try to be observant of how your body feels, and never ever exercise trough pain. It is one thing to feel strain and another thing entirely to feel pain in any part of the body while exercising, pain means that you are doing something wrong, or have some major imbalance (or in some cases not feeling well).

Always warmup before doing exercises and stretch after them, they might not seem like much important but both help immensely in both injury prevention and faster recovery.

While you do your selected workout routine try to add edging at least once a week, because while your body will get stronger and more stable you still need to get to know your body in high arousal situations and get used to the sensations. Also try to jog at least once a week (or every second week), the jog needn't be long (a 5-10 minute jog is quite fine). As the months pass you will notice a considerable raise in your ability to endure more and more.

The benefits are that not only are you fixing your premature ejaculation problem you are also improving your overall health. Also the testosterone levels will rise and will give you more frequent erections, high libido and much needed increased confidence.

Continue doing this until you can no longer see any benefit to it, then depending the nature of your premature ejaculation a pelvic floor routine will benefit you more than if you had just jumped straight into a pelvic floor routine.

This doesn't mean that going to the gym will fix all your premature ejaculation problems. The problem with premE is that is can be a very complex problem, but you will have a much easier time dealing with it as you get stronger overall, this is at least my experience.