"From PE to MMO"- Minuteman's Orgasmic log

**Hanma** · 10-28-2010

Minuteman, the link isn't working?

**Minuteman** · 10-28-2010

joeboy:

Ok read all of this carefully, first of all, while i regularly use porn for getting more horny (very good after the first DO in the beginning), you , like me before, use porn in the very wrong way.

For now it is wiser not to use porn but too try to stimulate your self via your imagination, it might be hard in the beginning but it is better. Why?
Because when you are watching pron you almost immediately go into fully erected state. This is wrong. Remember this: the more you can use your imagination, the closer you are to lasting longer. Same goes with the gradualness, foreplay is used for a reason.

Allow your dick to go into a full erection without stimulation, or if you can't then start waching porn, but don't undress and don't rub your penis in any way, let him be erected for a while let him/you start wishing to rub it rather that rubbing straight away. Also go slow not fast (and fix that problem that you have ASAP), feel the sensations more.

Also for now don't go with the strong reverse kegel or any kegel at all, just stop at the PONR stop and wait (and do that triangular breating... good thing you told me about that i will incorporate that in my sessions) till the wish to cum is gone, if you notice that by stroking it two or three times you are again at PONR stop for a while and do something else (it is hard to resist the tempation but it will work in the long run).

As Pegasus masterfully noticed it the other thread (Implications) it is about skill not strength. That goes for both the kegel and the reverse kegel. I notice that for exaple i use less and less strength while DOing and more skill, same goes for the reverse orgasms.

The most important thing is to alway start slow, when you jerk of a not full erected penis you are telling your brain that you want to cum as soon as possible, avoid that.
The idea behind stopping for an hour or so is to get used to the state of high arousal, since arousal and erection levels (as you will notice aren't the same), basically you will be horny for most of the time.

Long story short:

Do this for at least a week (or until you fix that problem you are having)
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1. Don't do any kind of kegels for now while edging
2. Use porn only to get you erect, then turn it of and use your imagination
3. GO SLOW!
4. Stop when you see that you are approaching the PORN to fast after your last PONR and do something else.
5. Ejaculate every two or three days (try to avoid ejaculating daily because you want to get used to the state of being high aroused for longer period of time)
6. In the mean time learn to balloon. (for me it is placing two fingers under the glands, it dosn't matter if you have foreskin or not over it, and SLOWLY rub clockwise or counter clockwise when erect, also do not ejaculate stop at PONR)
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Also since i am a beginner myself i urge the other experienced members to review what i said here and give an OK or not, since i may be wrong and the feedback would be good for both me and joeboy.

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As for me, i'm trying to do a reverse kegel without moving other stuff (especially my belly) i think i am beginning to understand just how week my reverse kegel is, and more and more the theory in the Implications topic (the one about premature=stronger kegels and delayed= stronger reverse kegels if i understood it correctly ) begins to make sense, that is probably why in the beginning the reverse kegles (although done with moving all the rest) where effective to prolong at least a little more my edging time.

**Minuteman** · 10-30-2010

Today's session was terrible.

Not only did I noticed that i was rushing to PONR, but i had several partial ejaculations (or partial DOs) and got into a downward spiral. What irritates me the most was the fact that after all my training in preventing rushes and doing it slow, I myself have failed me. If was not until 4 or 5 partial DO that i stopped and asked myself "What the fuck am I doing?" it felt like beating a dead horse, no sensations no emotions nothing, i was mostly half erect, pathetic. Then only good thing about all this is the fact that I noticed my wrongness. I simply wasn't able to get into it, I forced my self to get into it, i feel like i betrayed myself.

It looks like i'm facing my first diminishing returns, a good sign that i should give it a rest a little bit. The good thing about people like me is that we progress fast but in return are never satisfied and always looking for more.

At least writhing here lets me get off my steam, and correct my errs. The best thing to do now is remember my mistakes and get my mind of it, no good comes from too much dwelling.

On another note, and another good thing about this mishap or whatever, is that i got more understanding for just how much the thought process can be bad for sex/edge/etc. In other words the closer i am to my brain (thinking about stuff that aren't used as imagination to fuel my enjoyment) the further I am from my sensations. Almost the moment my mind starts to think about ejaculation, dry orgasms, rolling orgasms and whatnot, moments after i will start getting to PONR in a wrong way (not gradual but forced), me being a natural worrier doesn't help me at all, it is very hard for me to make those thoughts disappear. Even though I can feel much and am sensitive that part of me that is constantly worrying is bad for many things.

I have come to an understanding that healing premature ejaculation isn't just healing myself in sex matters but healing my life long problem, it is all connected.

Sweet irony is also that by healing my premature ejaculation i will heal a much bigger part of myself, or better yet the whole of myself.

I feel like a man climbing a high mountain and at the top I only notice that that top was actually a part of a even greater mountain. In other words while glad about my success only now I see just how big my problem is.

But I will climb and conquer that mountain dammit! AT LEAST NOW I CAN SEE WHERE I AM GOING!

**thebeast00777** · 10-30-2010

quick question. Can "quickies' take you backwards in this journey because my Girl and I really sometimes try to get it in fast before someone wakes up lol. I dont really have a PE issue but i would like to prolong my stamina so i can go harder and faster longer. When having quickies i sometimes rapidly Kegal to make it faster. Is this bad?

**bgstick18** · 10-30-2010

I'd say no, thats what a quickie is...fast sex ha ha ha! And sex will just make your penis even larger! Think about it!!! I mean..think about it! Sex is ULTIMATE exercise my friend! Ever notice when your girl is around your erections are huge as opposed to when your just...alone.

**Minuteman** · 10-30-2010

Originally Posted by thebeast00777

quick question. Can "quickies' take you backwards in this journey because my Girl and I really sometimes try to get it in fast before someone wakes up lol. I dont really have a PE issue but i would like to prolong my stamina so i can go harder and faster longer. When having quickies i sometimes rapidly Kegal to make it faster. Is this bad?

I'd say it depends on the ratio, if you have more quickies and less, there is a probability that it will turn into a habit, and one of the sources of PE is actually that your body is used to ejaculate quickly.

Rushing to finish can lead and will lead into PE eventually, having a quickie from time to time is ok, but having it most of the time, that i would not recommend. Kegeling rapidly can also create a nasty habit that is connected to PE.

Bottom line (but taken into account that i have no experience in sex) i it can be bad, so refrain of doing it much.

And bgstick with no disrespect but it think you are off. Just because it is sex it doesn't mean it can't be bad, or have bad consequences. If he is lying down doing nothing then it is not an exercise. If he is tuning his body to quickly come that can't be good sex or no sex.

**Jay48** · 10-30-2010

Originally Posted by Minuteman

Today's session was terrible.

Not only did I noticed that i was rushing to PONR, but i had several partial ejaculations (or partial DOs) and got into a downward spiral. What irritates me the most was the fact that after all my training in preventing rushes and doing it slow, I myself have failed me. If was not until 4 or 5 partial DO that i stopped and asked myself "What the fuck am I doing?" it felt like beating a dead horse, no sensations no emotions nothing, i was mostly half erect, pathetic. Then only good thing about all this is the fact that I noticed my wrongness. I simply wasn't able to get into it, I forced my self to get into it, i feel like i betrayed myself.

It looks like i'm facing my first diminishing returns, a good sign that i should give it a rest a little bit. The good thing about people like me is that we progress fast but in return are never satisfied and always looking for more.

At least writhing here lets me get off my steam, and correct my errs. The best thing to do now is remember my mistakes and get my mind of it, no good comes from too much dwelling.

On another note, and another good thing about this mishap or whatever, is that i got more understanding for just how much the thought process can be bad for sex/edge/etc. In other words the closer i am to my brain (thinking about stuff that aren't used as imagination to fuel my enjoyment) the further I am from my sensations. Almost the moment my mind starts to think about ejaculation, dry orgasms, rolling orgasms and whatnot, moments after i will start getting to PONR in a wrong way (not gradual but forced), me being a natural worrier doesn't help me at all, it is very hard for me to make those thoughts disappear. Even though I can feel much and am sensitive that part of me that is constantly worrying is bad for many things.

I have come to an understanding that healing premature ejaculation isn't just healing myself in sex matters but healing my life long problem, it is all connected.

Sweet irony is also that by healing my premature ejaculation i will heal a much bigger part of myself, or better yet the whole of myself.

I feel like a man climbing a high mountain and at the top I only notice that that top was actually a part of a even greater mountain. In other words while glad about my success only now I see just how big my problem is.

But I will climb and conquer that mountain dammit! AT LEAST NOW I CAN SEE WHERE I AM GOING!

You have no reason to be worked up; it was just a bad session. Just two days ago you were able to masturbate for 2 hours! I wish i could go on for that long without busting. You're writing about thinking too much about the ejaculation, DO, and even losing interest after DO sometimes. Don't you think these issues would disappear during actual sex with a woman? And that's why you're doing all this stuff anyhow -- to be better in bed -- right? Have you translated all this training into actual sex so far?

**Minuteman** · 10-30-2010

Tnx for the support. If i could translate it to sex i would believe me. But i'm in such situation where finding a girl of my taste is somewhat hard, and i just don't want (no matter how lame it sounds) to have sex because of sex, i just can't.

At first, my reason was solely to be better in bed, actually to be able to satisfy my partner more, in some weird way it is my love and devotion to the girl that will be the one (the girl in the first post was just some misread signals from my side). But form that in time it transformed into something more, it became sort of my personal quest in reaching more pleasure (that happened when i first had my Rolling orgasms) and now it turns into a somewhat self healing process (plus the first two stuff...).

The rest is probably just a rant but i'll keep it anyway:

Several years before the girl that was for me the one, was involved with somebody else and even though she liked me, she loved him, and i respected that, now i simply can't be satisfied with any less felling then the one i felt then, and I tried, i didn't shut myself i searched. I have met a certain number of girls but there where simply didn't have "that" (i don't seek the copy of that girl, i seek the feeling). No sex in all the world couldn't replace that feeling. It sound lame even to me now that i'm writhing this but it is simply how it is.

I never had problem talking to girls, i know how to make them laugh, i know how to complement them, i know what they want from me when i see their eyes, it is so simple, and so boring. I like when a girl plays me, not the other way around. I like when a girl know she is lovely and isn't ashamed to use that, i like the girl with confidence and cheerfulness, she was that, other girls that i met till now are simply booring. And most importantly there has to be that feeling, the feeling when you just know that that is that.

I mean it sound silly but people are usually asking me for the love advices, and how to go to that girl or boy or whatnot, they are even asking me for lovemaking advices and they know that i have no real experience just understanding. And i give them, and almost always i guess right, wich isn't that hard at all.

Or maybe i'm just lying to myself... maybe i'm simply a coward afraid to let people in his life, Maybe i'm scared of being hurt, scared of change, scared of fear.

The only thing i know it that if i ever meet a girl that a have those feeling for i will not let go, but what is the point if she doesn't love you back.

Well, you asked :P

**Jay48** · 10-30-2010

Man, you need a girl. There is no "the one," just a series of acceptable ones. I don't think it's a good idea to wait for the perfect girl. You seem fairly young and should be experimenting, not worrying about your soul mate. What's the point of shaping yourself into a multi-orgasmic marathon-winning sex god if you aren't actually having sex, right? It's like assembling a rocket capable of reaching the stars but never taking it out of the garage. I'm only 18 and I know that the majority of girls my age aren't relationship material but that doesn't stop me from bending them over a few times, even if I don't find my size or stamina very impressive. I manage to almost always make them come one way or the other. Sometimes I stay hard after ejaculating if I'm really attracted and can then go on for ages, but still nowhere near as long as you're capable of -- so don't waste it.

**Minuteman** · 10-30-2010

Your maturity is on the level, and you most of your points are correct, it is just that sex means nothing to me, if there inno mutual love involved i'm just kinda fucked up like that, what can i say.

But I am very grateful for cheering me up.

On a sidenote, just because i can last long with my hand doesn't mean that i will last long with a girl, as far as i know those are two entirely different things