Reverse kegels 101 premature ejaculation and pelvic balance

[Pegasus]

Ok aka you would benifit from rehab exercises ,these uncontrolled kegels you get ,take the form of a kegel contraction standard front and back as I understand it. You should stop doing standard kegels and do reverse kegels only , these can be done as a group, so fine control is not required.

[spanky]

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[Pegasus]

Great thread, Peg!
Do you think this is a 4 way balance situation or two 2 way balance situations?

Actually I think the most common imbalabce is standard kegel (strong) and reverse kegel( weak) and that working reverse will cure many premature issues. However 4 way makes sense in theory and would explain a lot.

[spanky]

For what it's worth I recognise that the standard BC kegel and PC root lock have different effects on my arousal.

I'm not however 100% sure how much either or both are involved in involuntary spasms & tension as there's a definite difference between involuntary BC clenches and the "background" tension I feel in my pelvic floor at high arousal levels.

I'm also not skilled enough with the reverses to identify how those actually affect my arousal level. This is probably something I need to take more time over once I've got them under finer control.

[Pegasus]

You are doing good work spanky, give yourself time.

[spanky]

Thanks man. It's funny how the more I learn, the less I realise I know.

[ProtoJ]

Ok first off I offer no quick fix.
You have prolonged and ongoing uncontrolled kegel type spasms and have had for many years.
Firstly do these spasms take the form of a standard kegel? If so do they take the form of front stop your piss kind or the back contract your arsehole kind or both?

Is the one where the back of the a-hole contracts bad?

I've been doing that one which Dr Lin calls anal breathing but I suffer from invovluntary PC twitching so am I just making it worse in the long run with the anal breathing?

[Mr. Optimistic]

What is the best position to do reverse kegels in, I seem to have trouble doing them sitting, especially getting at those front reverse kegel muscles, any idea?
I can definitely tell that unconscious kegels are my problem, I feel it as a quick spasm that push me a great deal closer to the ponr, its like as soon as the first couple happened i am screwed. It helps to know the problem though and being able to do something about it.

[Pegasus]

Do reverse k in any position you can at first, then over time you can develop the ability to do them in different positions.
The kegel you are doing is not bad as such, however it may be contributing to your imbalance. The central question is have you improved?

[spanky]

I can definitely tell that unconscious kegels are my problem, I feel it as a quick spasm that push me a great deal closer to the ponr, its like as soon as the first couple happened i am screwed. It helps to know the problem though and being able to do something about it.

What I've come to recognise through doing kegels is that it's more than this for me, there's a continuous low level general "background" tension in my BC, maybe PC too, which has two effects. 1) brings on ponr as we know, and 2) makes the stronger involuntary spasms much more likely and much harder to anticipate or catch as there's less "distance" for the muscle to go.

I don't think I'll be able to fully hold off the involuntary clenches without first getting shot of that low background tension.

Does that ring true for you too? Or is that just me?