super strong kegels

**wilson214** · 03-07-2012

I started a fairly strict RK routine roughly 2 months ago and it seems to be helping keep my pelvic floor relaxed for slightly longer each time, but from what it feels like, when I am edging/ballooning/masturbating, whenever I begin to have involuntary Ks, applying a RK isn't helping. It seems to me that my PC muscle (involuntary) spasms are so strong that my currently weaker RK flex is being "overridden" so to say, and I am still having involuntary kegels. I am just curious if anyone else has experienced this before themselves? Does it make sense to continue with RKs to try and balance the PC/BC muscle strength and regain control over the pelvic floor? Or is it possible that the kegel spasms are a sign of PC muscle weakness, and I should be doing kegel exercises?

**Motz** · 03-07-2012

As far as i know, you shouldn't be doing RK only. It might seems like it's working but it's not long term answer. You should be doing both RK and normal kegels.

**wilson214** · 03-07-2012

So do you believe these uncontrollable kegel spasms to be a sign of PC muscle weakness? Or too strong? Like many on here, bad masturbation habits in my past have led me to this point. I just dont want to be taking any false steps.

**Pegasus** · 03-07-2012

It is the uncontrolled nature of kegel spasms that is the issue. Doing some kegels helps with control.
Typically in pre e the kegel is stronger than the reverse kegel . Now it may be strong or weak ,but it is relatively stronger.
Extended periods of rk only can lead to negative issues.
The answer is to do a routine where rk outweigh kegels and strength,supplness and balance are promoted.

**wilson214** · 03-07-2012

This is where I get a little confused and I apologize, but I dont see how doing more kegel exercises will help STOP the involuntary kegels i suffer from? I always used to kegel during masturbation to finish quicker, now it is a reflex.

**Pegasus** · 03-07-2012

Kegels should be under control, a decision ,not a reflex or a spasm. Doing deliberate kegels is part of the process of gaining control.

**wilson214** · 03-07-2012

Ahh, I see now. Whether the muscle is strong or not doesnt mean it is "toned" or controllable, am I catching your drift? For my sake I hope youre right. By the sounds of it this is my problem to a tee. Thank you pegasus.

**zunamary** · 03-07-2012

Originally Posted by Pegasus

It is the uncontrolled nature of kegel spasms that is the issue. Doing some kegels helps with control.
Typically in pre e the kegel is stronger than the reverse kegel . Now it may be strong or weak ,but it is relatively stronger.
Extended periods of rk only can lead to negative issues.
The answer is to do a routine where rk outweigh kegels and strength,supplness and balance are promoted.

Basically if you just focus on rk's can you get to a point of not ejaculating? I felt that yesterday; I was having trouble ejaculating. Didn't felt that since I was a kid and started masturbating.

**wilson214** · 03-07-2012

To be honest I sometimes wish I had that problem zunamary lol. I was just experimenting and noticed that when I do a kegel immediately after a reverse kegel, the kegel reflex is almost "forced". Immediately after my RK and I start the kegel, its almost as if my muscles are wired to perform a full-blown hard kegel immediately. Essentially going from 10MPH to 100MPH with no in betweenn. Just and ON/OFF switch type reaction?

**zunamary** · 03-07-2012

Originally Posted by wilson214

To be honest I sometimes wish I had that problem zunamary lol. I was just experimenting and noticed that when I do a kegel immediately after a reverse kegel, the kegel reflex is almost "forced". Immediately after my RK and I start the kegel, its almost as if my muscles are wired to perform a full-blown hard kegel immediately. Essentially going from 10MPH to 100MPH with no in betweenn. Just and ON/OFF switch type reaction?

But does it make you ejaculate inmediatly after you start the kegel? I don't really know how I did what I did, since just last week I was still having troubles; I reached the PONR in between 1-2min. It was my first time doing rk's. I'll do this again on friday, hopefully It'll go well.

I think there must be a intermediate point where you can control what to do. The main goal, at least for me, is to be able to satisfy my partner, and then I would be satisfied as well. Obviosuly, there's nothing good about lastin 2 mins while having sex, but I don't find it funny either to never ejaculate, or ejcaulate like in 2 hours, for example. Unless your partner wants to go all that long

Is that possible to achieve? To get to a point where you can just ejaculate whenever you want, and also stay for as long as you want?