Confusion with Reverse Kegels

[JamesMonroe]

(part 2) (scroll up for part 1)
Btw.... I meant to type that rev kegels don't make your penis bounce up and down like a REG kegel does.... so sorry for the typo. When a reverse kegel is BUILT UP stronger with the help of all the surrounding muscles, you will then be able to stop ejaculation dead in its tracks and also you will be able to pump your penis full of blood, giving you a biggger erection, without the drawbacks/EQ loss that regular kegels sometimes give you. If you don't know what im talking about iMac, then I don't know what to tell you....

[buttersketch]

THe main problem I am having is, when I am aroused, the PC muscle becomes tense and clenches in. When I am not aroused, the PC muscle is less tense. Now what I tried to do when aroused is do RK to counter the tension, but RKs while aroused will let my abs tense up causing me to cum prematurely due to all the tension building in my body.

When I RK without arousal I can easily relax the pelvic floor without any tension building up in the abs or body, but as I am aroused it is harder to RKs in general - and more tension in Abs and body causes me to RPE-E.

anyone else gets that?

[imac]

iMac is wrong. Like Pegasus said, compound exercising the rev kegel helps to get better at it. I built up my strength to be able to do rev kegels easier over time all over that area. IMac has obviously not worked with reverse kegels for enough time for him to see te strength and flex he can have and how it helps(over time) to be able to do a hard long rev kegel with little very little effort. No.... it is not because I "got better at doing them"..... that's ridiculous.... I got better because I build strength all around the area. It's physically obvious. If imac HAS spent lots of time working with them, then he never did it right or his body is not compatible with this kind of work. He's the one telling you not to push hard and that it's just a stretch. Keep listening to him then.

Yeah your right what would I Know I've only being doing reverse kegels naturally since the first time I had sex at 17 before I even knew they had a name, obviously doing something for almost 10 years means I mustn't know shit about it.
And unlike you I've never suffered from premature ejaculation so again it must be me that's doing them wrong.

But that's fine you can keep an giving what I consider to be bad advice I don't expect to change you but I will ask you not to do it on this thread.
This thread is about learning to do reverse kegels in a relaxed and controlled way and you just send mixed messages which quite frankly makes the title of this thread seem ironic.

If your that keen to give advise to those struggling with reverse kegels I suggest starting your own thread detailing your method. You could name it "How to do reverse kegels while shitting yourself" or something to that effect.

[imac]

THe main problem I am having is, when I am aroused, the PC muscle becomes tense and clenches in. When I am not aroused, the PC muscle is less tense. Now what I tried to do when aroused is do RK to counter the tension, but RKs while aroused will let my abs tense up causing me to cum prematurely due to all the tension building in my body.

When I RK without arousal I can easily relax the pelvic floor without any tension building up in the abs or body, but as I am aroused it is harder to RKs in general - and more tension in Abs and body causes me to RPE-E.

anyone else gets that?

Use your diaphragm to help you push down. It lets you apply more pressure without tensing up your body.

[JamesMonroe]

Hmmm.... I wonder why you are "good" at reverse kegles.... maybe it has a little to do with you STRENGTHENING them and all the other surrounding muscles since you were 17!!! If you're afraid to push harder just wear diapers.

[imac]

Like I said if you have something to say on the subject make a thread on how YOU think reverse kegels should be done and if anyone wants to take you're advice they can go there and ask you questions and you can give whatever answers you want. This isn't the place for it!

[JamesMonroe]

This post is called "confusion with reverse kegels". It's an open conversation between people that are confused and that will get many great different points of view on the reverse kegels. Most people on this website think you can build up the strength of the reverse kegel, unlike you. Why do you think there are reverse kegel "routines" with sets and reps being suggested all over this site all the time?

[imac]

This post is called "confusion with reverse kegels". It's an open conversation between people that are confused and that will get many great different points of view on the reverse kegels. Most people on this website think you can build up the strength of the reverse kegel, unlike you. Why do you think there are reverse kegel "routines" with sets and reps being suggested all over this site all the time?

Yes this thread is called "Confusion with reverse kegels" and it's called that because I wrote it because there seem to me to be confusion about them so I took the method I've always used because I know from experiences that it works, in an effort to clear up the confusion.
That method is what this thread is all about it is NOT a discussion about kegel or reverse kegel theory. This thread exists to allow the people who want to do this method to do so and to ask questions about it.
When you start posting contradictory information then you just start causing the confusion that I was trying to clear up in the first place.

If you want to have a discussion about kegels or reverse kegels then post it on Pegasus' Implications thread or I believe he's about to start a new thread about the commonalities and differences regarding different methods of doing reverse kegels. Those are the proper places for those discussions NOT here.

But as I've said repeatedly now if you think you have a better way to do reverse kegels then create a thread detailing it and answering all the frequently asked questions and I'd be glad to read it. That way if anyone want's your advise then they can ask for it there.

As to your questions.

Most people on this website think you can build up the strength of the reverse kegel, unlike you. Why do you think there are reverse kegel "routines" with sets and reps being suggested all over this site all the time?

When you do a reverse kegels you stretch the muscle. Now just like stretching any other muscle in your body you can increase the "strength" of that stretch by applying more pressure. But stretching a muscle by definition creates flexibility in that muscle if done regularly hence the need for a "routine". It does NOT create strength, that is done by contracting muscles.
The "strength" you're able to apply to a reverse kegel develops with practice and time as you develop isolation and control over you're pelvic floor and it can be done without straining other muscle groups. If you need to apply extra pressure to a stretch then all you need to use is your diaphragm.
But when you describe reverse kegels as being able to increase there strength with conditioning then you again create confusion by leading people to believe it's a strengthening exercise when it's not.
If you can't understand that then I'm sorry but I don't know what to tell you.

So I'll ask again will you please stop posting contradictory information that will cause confusion for people who are following the method detailed in my original post. If you want to provide an alternative then create a thread of your own on how you do them, then people can choose for themselves what method they would rather follow. Thanks.

[JamesMonroe]

You created this post cuz u are SURE that you can not build up strength in a reverse kegel, eventhough you just admitted you can. All posts here are open for discussion so that people can get different points of view. So you're special or what? Then CLOSE THE THREAD or make it PRIVATE. Ofcourse we are building strength down there... that's what is enabling us to "stretch" more with time. Can't you see that muscles can't stretch without a muscle to MAKE it stretch? I want you to see if you can stretch any muscle in your body WITHOUT using any muscle at all. Please post a video. What is the reverse kegel then? Some super magical self-stretching stretch thingy?

[imac]

So what now, you're putting words in my mouth are you? Or are you just deliberately misinterpreting them to support your argument?
I never said that you can build up the strength of a reverse kegel. I said you can increase the "strength" applied to them, as in force or pressure.
The strength of something and the force applied to something are not the same thing. That's why I deliberately avoid using the word strength when talking about reverse kegels to avoid that misunderstanding.

I also never said that you can stretch muscles without other muscle. What I have said is to stretch the pelvic floor muscles using just the pelvic floor muscles with the aid of the diaphragm and I've also said not to tense your abs or thighs while doing it because the whole point of reverse kegels is to relax the pelvic floor and that become a whole lot harder to do if you're tensing your body at the same time.

But you obviously don't agree with anything I have to say and you seem reluctant for some reason to start a thread detailing your opinions so I have some questions for you.

1. What do you think reverse kegels do?
2. If you think reverse kegels strengthening the muscles in the pelvic floor what do you think kegels do?
3. When doing a reverse kegel do you think you're contracting muscles or relaxing them by stretching them?
4. If you don't think you're stretching and relaxing the muscles then how do you think your pelvic floor works when you have to take a piss or a shit?
5. Why do you think that reverse kegels are something you have to strain yourself to do?
6. Do you think it's important to learn to isolate front and back reverse kegels, If you don't can you explain why?

I look forward to hearing you're answers.