SUCCESS with fleshlight edging

[ericjohnson]

Hey Alex, great thread; you've convinced me to invest in an STU.

That being said, I am still on the fence regarding porn usage. While I am aware of the potential arousal issues that can develop with porn dependency, I can't help but think of the benefits porn provides in simulating the environment during sex. The visual and auditory stimuli of porn obviously bring me to the PONR much faster than without, so in that sense, isn't it a good training aid for recreating the excitement of real sex?

I am mainly asking because I wonder how different the arousal (and duration until PONR) from edging with the STU will be from the presence of a real girl. I worry that when it is time for a real girl the training will be not very effective due to the addition of a number of stimuli.

I really do NOT want to use porn (for a number of reasons), it's just that these thoughts are bugging me so I was hoping you could provide some insight.

Thanks

[alex553]

ericjohnson, I just don't think it works that way. I'm pretty sure I saw a topic somewhere explaining that edging to porn does not make you "more used" to the extra stimuli of sex. Think about it, it's just different. One is seeing sex on a screen, while the other is actually having sex, it affects different parts of your brain. Instead, maybe IMAGINE that you are having sex rather than just staring into the air, or download an audio file of a girl moaning. I think I was able to find one of these somewhere, let me know if you can't find it and I'll help you.

If you MUST, which I really wouldn't advise, at least wait until you can last 15-20 minutes of CONTINUOUS thrusting. When you can do that add the porn.

[ericjohnson]

Hi Alex,

But in that case, wouldn't seeing sex on a screen be similar to imagining sex, in that they are both different to real sex? Or is your point that the extra stimulation of porn is just not worth the added risks (ED, etc)? Also, do you consider auditory aids completely safe to use? I'd actually very much like to see that thread talking about edging with porn; I'd assume it would clear up a lot my questions. I did find this though through the search box: Pornography Addiction.

I guess the general consensus is that porn should be avoided, so I think I will definitely take that route. That being said, I still interested in this discussion to have a well-rounded perspective.

Thnaks

[alex553]

No, it's not the same. Imagining sex is using your brain to turn you on, and your brain is your biggest sex organ. You're not watching porn while having sex, that is just over stimulation that doesn't "convert" into lasting longer when you're actually having sex. Look, everybody is different, not everybody has bad consequences when watching porn. But a lot of people do and I think that's why you should avoid it. If you want to use it so badly then do it, but keep an open mind about the bad consequences that it may entail and switching back to edging without porn.

[ericjohnson]

No, it's not the same. Imagining sex is using your brain to turn you on, and your brain is your biggest sex organ. You're not watching porn while having sex, that is just over stimulation that doesn't "convert" into lasting longer when you're actually having sex. Look, everybody is different, not everybody has bad consequences when watching porn. But a lot of people do and I think that's why you should avoid it. If you want to use it so badly then do it, but keep an open mind about the bad consequences that it may entail and switching back to edging without porn.

Alex, I'm really not trying to irritate you but by the tone of your posts it seems I am. As stated before, I never wanted to use porn in the first place because I am very well aware of potential consequences; I'm just trying to sort through what seems to be confusing logic in order to reach a more refined truth. You say that since you don't watch porn during sex it is irrelevant to real sex due to over stimulation. But in that case, wouldn't edging without seeing and hearing a real girl be irrelevant to real sex due to under stimulation?

I started posting here because I found this thread to be a great source of knowledge, but it appears I am unfortunately pissing you off so I'll stop prodding.

[Minuteman]

The pont is eric, that the arousal that is coming from porn and arousal that you have while having sex is different in nature. In that scale imagination is closer to sex since it is in synch with your fellings and you generally, while porn does not, the reason most people ejaculate to fast with ponr is because they are trying unconsciously to get in the tempo of porn and that is what most people can't do, since it isn't your own natural tempo also to quote myself from here https://www.pegym.com/forums/progres...ml#post484347:

Depending on the types of imaginations, but most people have a first person imagination (and i'm not talking about POW porn either) and not porn like (voyeur) imagination.

Also imagination never plays out like a porn because it engages your feelings and sensations in a way that porn never can. Also imagination "knows" when to turn off, most of you will notice that when you are very highly aroused imagination will start giving the way to sensations, most will notice imagination and sensation starting to blend in until finally all that is left is the sensation, porn can't do that and that is why it brings so much problems imagination and partner during sex can synch much more easily while porn can't. In essence imagination will always shape around sensations, while when watching porn your sensations will try to shape around the "expectations" of porn and as usually mostly fail.

[alex553]

Alex, I'm really not trying to irritate you but by the tone of your posts it seems I am. As stated before, I never wanted to use porn in the first place because I am very well aware of potential consequences; I'm just trying to sort through what seems to be confusing logic in order to reach a more refined truth. You say that since you don't watch porn during sex it is irrelevant to real sex due to over stimulation. But in that case, wouldn't edging without seeing and hearing a real girl be irrelevant to real sex due to under stimulation?

I started posting here because I found this thread to be a great source of knowledge, but it appears I am unfortunately pissing you off so I'll stop prodding.

No need to get defensive, I'm not pissed. There are tons of debates on this forum about porn that you can search. This isn't a "science" so all you can do is see how it effects other people, how it effects you, and choose what you want to do. Like Minuteman said, edging while simply using your brain is closer to sex because at the end of the day, it is YOUR BRAIN that determines your sexual outcome. Porn is a twisted reality that can lead to ED and PE. Further, a big part of this method is that you start slowly to build confidence, which is why I don't want people using porn, it makes it harder to last. So like I said before, use porn AFTER you get your confidence and can last a good amount.

[alex553]

ericjohnson, read my latest log entry https://www.pegym.com/forums/progres...light-log.html . I know I'm an extreme case, but this is why I personally want to avoid porn.

[The Poon Goon]

This is informative Alex thanks, my stamina has went up when I started thrusting into towels and couches rather than just moving the fleshlight up and down on my unit.

[MarcusHa]

I have gone from 2-3 minutes to 20 minutes on Edging without lube. But when it comes to lots of lube, fleshlight or sex, I am still almost on the same spot. And it has been 5-6 months. But I was a 30 sec man... If I am a 1 minute now, maybe in another 6 months I can be a 2 minutes, then a 4 minutes, then 8, then 16...

Hopefully I will be cured around 2015 HAHA. But I have started to Edge with lube now, and when I feel ok with it I move on to Fleshlight. Lets see if I can be a 5 minutes man in 3 months. Too slow :/