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[bigmoe5067]

james monroe....to clarify one thing you posted on. you are right all muscles need an antagonist for stretching. what ever is the bc and pcs antagonist is irrelevant. when we discuss isolation, we are not talking about muscle activation, we are talking about muscle stretching isolation for reverse kegels. what muscles are stretching it is unimportant. what is important is that we can stretch it exclusively. this allows for a better stretch, and more control over the muscle.

i could stretch my quads sitting on my knees and leaning back and pushing out my hips while putting my arms behind me and looking behind me. this would passively stretch my abdominal wall, psoas major, illiacus, quads, and some of my adductors. it is a good overall stretch for flexibility. BUT a better stretch for the quads would be a standing active stretch where i simply stand up right and flex my knee while slightly over extending my hip. this stretch is an active stretch and will allow for better mobility not just flexibility, along with greater control of the muscle because i am actively stretching it. google the difference between active and passive stretching and the balance between the 2. typically passive stretching provides a better range of motion. active stretching allows for better control and mobility. hence why they should be balanced.

think of a combined pc/bc reverse kegel to be a passive stretch, while the isolated bc rk to be an active stretch. if you look at it from this context then your way would be the faster way to loosen the muscle both muscles, while the isolation approach would allow for greater control of the muscle and a better overall stretch for the bc. both are aspects we want to achieve (since we dont want a pc/bc imbalance) so a combined approach would be ideal.

[bigmoe5067]

if i had to guess when we refer to isolation, we are mainly talking about subdueing the stress of the diaphragm and abdomen, and relying more on the transverse perineal muscle, ischiocavenous muscle, and external anal sphincter for active stretching. isolation is more about using the right muscles to stretch your bc, than just using internal pressure as a means of stretching. we can build internal pressure and stretch the entire floor, and genital muscles, or we can isolate the muscle that stretch the bc.

you are correct in your assumption that we we discuss isolation, we dont specifically mean the bc. we mean the muscles that stretch it. but for simplification purposes, it is easier to just say we are isolating the bc muscle

[JamesMonroe]

Sure, we can isolate the muscle by relaxing lightly or whatever you wanna cel it, but since we all agree that there are muscles making the revere kegel happen, the only way to have a reverse kegel to work at its optimum would be to train it well and hard to strengthen whatever muscles eneble it to work well/better. Once that happens, like in my case, you can stop any ejaculation with no problem and you can do long light ones the whole time during sex to keep relaxed and also not have to do much because as we said, at some point it just works on its own when it's strong and relaxed enough. I really don't know to what extent you guys use revesre kegels... but I really hope some of you atleast try to train/push them hard with long holds and short bursts for a while to see what happens. I know it helped me be able to have a well balanced floor, to stop any ejaculation at any time and to be able to "isolate" them and really feel a huge bulge/inflation in the penis/scrotum area.

[bigmoe5067]

while i agree, the push hard method, as i discussed, will evenly distribute pressure throughout the pelvic floor and not just specifically on the ones that stretch the bc, so it may not be as of quality of a stretch as an isolated one. another example via the hamstring. the standing toe reach stretch will never be as effective as a one legged lying down, bent knee hamstring stretch, because the erector spinae muct also be stretched as well as dealing with the tendons and ligaments that cross the anterior portion of the knee. hard multi faceted stretches are generally good, btu isolated strecthes usually have a more profound effect.

also you speak of using them during sex lightly to maintain a relaxed bc. well that kind of use would be much more easily trained in with isolation exercises.

personally, as with all exercise i like the combined approach (heck to work your legs you dont just do squats or one kind of stretch do you?). i usually start with some hard kegels (like a dynamic warmup), and do 2 to 5 hard pushes to get everything limber that isnt related specifically to the bc rk, and then focus on isolation work.

[JamesMonroe]

What I'm also saying is that when you do train hard by pushing out with everything, THAT is when you get the best stretch and isolation. The ability to isolate very well comes later when all the muscles in that area are developed and therefore don't have to work as hard anymore allowing easier isolation. And as I said before.... What exactly is isolation? Whenever you reverse kegel as an exercise or during sex you use the diaphragm and maybe a little bit of the lower abs or whatever is down there to create a reverse kegel so actually there isn't ever true isolation. Maybe isolation of the diaphragm is what you speak of beacuse we all agree it's the diaphram that IS the reverse kegel. It's a muscle.... muscles are trained by working hard, not just lightly relaxing them or whatever you guys are saying.

[bigmoe5067]

the diaphragm doesnt have that much do with it. it attaches to your strernum, costal angles of your ribs, and the transverse process of parts of your spine. your rectus abdominus inserts on your pubic symphisis and attaches near your diaphragm. a hard reverse kegel is a collective pushing motion of your rectus abdominus, and your muscles inferior to your BC (the Pc, transverse perineal muscle, ischiocavenous muscle, and external anal sphincter, and others) to create a hard internal pressure that puts pressure on all of the walls of the abdominopelvic cavity, but a better stretch is done when you only use the inferior muscles with using internal pressure. so in a sense isolation is more about removing your abdomen from the equation to get a better stretch.

what you are doing is effective for a whole abdominal stretch. its actually a root lock in yoga, but in terms of exclusive BC stretching it is not the best route. like you said, i would suggest doing these root lock to stretch the muscles surrounding your abdominopelvic cavity. it will release tension and aid in isolation. but control and pure isolation comes from active stretching.

muscles are not always trained by working them hard. flexibility training shouldnt be extremely intense, mobility exercises are not usually extremely intense. dynamics, and power training often focus on the aspects of agility (graceful relaxed movements that happen quickly). strength is formed by hard work, but strength is only one factor in considering the training of a muscle.

the diaphragm isnt a reverse kegel. a reverse kegel isnt a muscle. it a the stretching of the bc muscle

[JamesMonroe]

I know the reverse kegel is not a muscle. The fact is that obviously there are muscles that create the reverse kegel and I got extremely good at it from training ALL the muscles as a group and pushing out hard. Not from isolating. Isolation became possible and easy to do later on with time and effort, not precise form and light pressure.

[JamesMonroe]

.....including abs.

[bigmoe5067]

I know the reverse kegel is not a muscle. The fact is that obviously there are muscles that create the reverse kegel and I got extremely good at it from training ALL the muscles as a group and pushing out hard. Not from isolating. Isolation became possible and easy to do later on with time and effort, not precise form and light pressure.

i can agree with this. when training your upper body/pecs, you always start with compound exercises like push ups and bench press before moving to isolation work like decline dumbell flys or incline flys

[JamesMonroe]

i can agree with this. when training your upper body/pecs, you always start with compound exercises like push ups and bench press before moving to isolation work like decline dumbell flys or incline flys

Oh yeah... Good analogy.
Just to let you know, I'm not trying to argue, I'm just telling people that what I did worked so I suggest for people to do it. If they wanna do it a different way, that's ok.