The “Average Overall Arousal” Theory (AOA)

[wilson214]

To Smu,

I am a little over 2 weeks into this and am experiencing exactly the same results. I do believe this is a good/positive sign. I think given more time, my general arousal/arousal response will subside even more, which is essentially IMO the key to solving Pre E. I know it is only 2 weeks for myself, but I can already notice I am much more relaxed in terms orf arousal and/or time it takes before I become aroused.

I will only be posting on here every few weeks or so but to anyone else debating this, so far I feel the results are positive.

[Drummer19]

To Smu,

I am a little over 2 weeks into this and am experiencing exactly the same results. I do believe this is a good/positive sign. I think given more time, my general arousal/arousal response will subside even more, which is essentially IMO the key to solving Pre E. I know it is only 2 weeks for myself, but I can already notice I am much more relaxed in terms orf arousal and/or time it takes before I become aroused.

I will only be posting on here every few weeks or so but to anyone else debating this, so far I feel the results are positive.

I can't wait to see what things are like for you 4 months into this. It sounds like you are experiencing exactly what I did, which is a good sign. Keep up the great work!

[gettingb]

gettingb,

What you've done well is battled physical arousal. Sex with a real woman contains tons of psychological arousal. May I ask when you jerk off do you use porn or not? That has helped me learn meditation techniques to battle in-bed arousal.

I don't jerk off as such just edging without ejaculation. I don't use porn, I don't want to at the moment as it contributed to my PreE, but I can see how it could be very effective in psychological terms. E.g as in Bygg D's guide. I will use porn in this way at some point in the future.

[gettingb]

A week or two without edging isn't what the AOA is about. It is about an extended period of time in which you lessen or eliminate your arousal. Two weeks of anything will accomplish nothing.

I think a lot can be accomplished in 2 weeks. But that's beside the point. I feel as though now I have got very far with the physical side of arousal. About a week ago I was edging and had excellent control, I was feeling very confident. Shortly after I had finished edging my girlfriend wanted sex. Everything was going great until I was about to penetrate her. I was very aroused at the time - leading to worries about performance - this lead to some anxiety which resulted in loss of erection. I was able to get it up again fairly quickly but only as my arousal rose high again. My control was pathetic and I lasted seconds.

So the way I see it my problems are almost completely psychological. I have in the past had very good control during sex, as I was very confident at the time. Although this didn't last.
I can see now that I can get very aroused. This is obvious to me due to the amount of pre-cum that comes out (I'm not even sure when pre-cum should happen - but it feels like it happens at a high stage of arousal).
So I can see I need to change the way my brain acts. One way would be to build up the edging and porn use. I can't really do this at the moment.

The way I am going to try is doing absolutely nothing as you have stated in this thread. Not the most fun way, but the best way available to me at the moment. This means to me controlling arousal even by not looking at the hot girl walking down the street.
It's a bit shit because I was seeing very positive health and mental benefits from the edging sessions and having had 2 or 3 DO's.

But I want to be able to satisfy my gf and the edging isn't working on it's own. So the plan is, as much as possible, to limit exposure to arousing things. Or to control my arousal if my gf is walking around in her underwear, for example. I will do this for as long as it takes and slowly get used to having sex again. When I have a decent level of control during sex I will start edging again to work towards MMO.

It seems to me that someone with mainly physical problems would be good to last a short amount of time during sex, probably a similar amount of time each time.

Someone with mental problems like me, it could vary. The last couple of time have been seconds. Sometimes before I have lasted for hours. Other times my penis went limp from anxiety just as I am about to put it in.

Maybe you can give me some advice. What I am going to do from now on it just nothing except try to lower my overall arousal, and have sex with my girlfriend occasionally. We don't have sex that much as she has had to put up with years of poor performance on my behalf. But now she is getting a lot more interested which is great but I'm not mentally ready. E.g last time I was very horny but also I pretty much knew I was going to fuck up.

I have identified PreE as a big problem in my life, and I can see many positive changes will happen if I can beat it. Anyway, sorry for the long post. It's good to have somewhere like this to vent and be 100% honest. Not something men can do that often in my experience.

[gettingb]

Another thing I'd like to mention is that when I was edging daily but not ejaculating, I had energy and motivation, I was aware and attentive. It's been five days of the no edging no arousal control thing. It already feels like these characteristics are diminishing somewhat.

[Glamissand1]

I think you have a sound theory here, so as of now I am porn, edging, and masterbaiting free. I will post as soon as any changes happen.

[zunamary]

Had the best sex ever yesterday. Lately I've always ejaculated really fast, usually around 1-2min, and then go for round 2 and last forever with that.

This time, I didn't ejaculate prematurely on first round. Things I've been doing for this:

- AOA program, (edging once every week or 2 weeks, not watching porn or anything arousal), altough I still feel horny and with high arousal levels on the streets, and naughty thoughts come from time to time.
- Meditative reverse kegels, did it always with back reverse kegels, but yesterday, I tried some with front reverse kegels, which I noticed I had really tense, so this might be really important (noticing if you're getiing your front or your back area tensed, thus working on that).
- Improved my confidence in myself overall, by not worrying about pre-e and spending times doing things I like and things to improve my life.
- Didn't have perform anxiety. Was relaxed and didn't concern if I ejaculated prematurely this time, because I knew I could go for round 2.
- Edged with a technique that some guys said made them become Delayed Ejaculators. It consists on flexing your body and toes backwards, and edgin/masturbating this way. Somewhat like this:

http://www.claudiafriedlander.com/.a...4985970c-300wi

I had sex for around 20 mins, fast and hard. Noticed that first minute is the most crucial one. I went really slow with it and relaxed. I did have trouble to ejaculate, which could mean I'm becoming DE, but I'm fine with that. I couldn't cum trough sex, but instead and as I found out another day, I can cum from balooning my frenullum, and this is what I did. Not sure if I am "cured", since this is the first time this happens, but just wanted to share with you guys my story.

Hope this helps anyone

[Drummer19]

Less than 2 months since posting this thread/ theory and people are starting to see varying degrees of positive success with AOA combating Pre-E. I hope that everyone that has been in the pilot group continues to push through the 4 month AOA program.

Remember to stay positive and don't worry so much about Pre-E, such as what Zunamary is doing, I think this is a very important factor for the AOA's success.

[Smu]

Bump.
How's it going for the other guys doing this program?

[Drummer19]

I haven't heard from anyone doing this program in a few months. I am hoping this is a good thing, as many people seem to go MIA after fixing themselves...

If you were a part of this program please post an update or PM me. Thanks.