How to not kegel while having sex

**JamesMonroe** · 09-21-2011

Originally Posted by Pegasus

Within your post James, you talk about the interaction of mental and physical and how being physically prepared gives you mantal strength.
I try and help guys train physically, because that is where my understanding is best and I do believe it helps mentally as well. However I have no argument with mental approaches ,in the end combining mind ,body and soul is the goal.

I do believe some mental things work, I just dont agree with the % the guy above mentioned.

**Pegasus** · 09-21-2011

Originally Posted by JamesMonroe

I do believe some mental things work, I just dont agree with the % the guy above mentioned.

Yes I understand.
My point was not about % ,right or wrong, but how they interact on each other.

**JamesMonroe** · 09-21-2011

Originally Posted by Pegasus

Yes I understand.
My point was not about % ,right or wrong, but how they interact on each other.

I agree.... I just strongly believe that it's more physical.

**Jazon2000** · 10-04-2011

I believe its more physical as well...and as for mental do you really wanna be thinking about clothes in your laundry machine or a hard math algorythym instead of penetrating and enjoying sex just so u last longer....i rather cum in 2 wait and hit that like no tomorrow and enjoy it....I prefer the physical approach IMO(in my opinion). i strognly believe as well its a sensitivity thing, and or frenelum length. (im uncut btw)

**Tom89** · 11-08-2011

I've just read this thread in full & got some really useful tips, but I'm just wondering if someone could give me some personalised advice?

I suffer from PE, but haven't had sex for about a year, so have no idea what stage I'm at these days. I normally last a few minutes wanking to porn, but that's because until now I've always done the "quick, let's get some pleasure & get it done with" thing... that is stopping right away! I wasn't even aware of my PC muscle until about a month ago when I started to do some research and I have no idea what the BC muscle is!? I have been doing PC excercises (kegels??) for about a month, and have learnt a little bit of control, but I still find it almost impossible to stop peeing once I've started, and I can't 'hold a kegel' at all - I can just about make my dick 'bounce' by tightening my PC muscle, but I can't keep it tightened, it just instantly relaxes. I do get some involuntary spasms, but I've started to learn to control them jut by relaxing. I also have no experience doing reverse kegels, I'm going to try them out soon.

I've just started ByggD's routine, which I'm hopeful about, but I want your advice on what sort of kegel/reverse kegel routine I should start?
Thanks

**Sirnutsalot** · 11-08-2011

Originally Posted by pe_ZEN

This is OLD wisdom - 1000's of years of Taoist master of sexual energy can't be wrong. Check out Mantak Chia and tell me he is not a master of sexual kung fu

He's not. I've practiced Taoist teachings for over 3 years, and Chia is definitely in the top 2 least liked "masters"

Because he just releases books that're dangerous, and are meant for his in person students for when he's away.

Plus his methods are very yang and can hurt people very badly, ESPECIALLY if they didn't train with him (99% of the people learning from his books).

Cause they were intended for his actual students.

**Pegasus** · 11-08-2011

Tom, sounds like you are trying to move in the right direction and the first thing, is to establish the ability to do both kegel and rk .

**namsokiek** · 11-08-2011

Originally Posted by Tom89

I've just read this thread in full & got some really useful tips, but I'm just wondering if someone could give me some personalised advice?

I suffer from PE, but haven't had sex for about a year, so have no idea what stage I'm at these days. I normally last a few minutes wanking to porn, but that's because until now I've always done the "quick, let's get some pleasure & get it done with" thing... that is stopping right away! I wasn't even aware of my PC muscle until about a month ago when I started to do some research and I have no idea what the BC muscle is!? I have been doing PC excercises (kegels??) for about a month, and have learnt a little bit of control, but I still find it almost impossible to stop peeing once I've started, and I can't 'hold a kegel' at all - I can just about make my dick 'bounce' by tightening my PC muscle, but I can't keep it tightened, it just instantly relaxes. I do get some involuntary spasms, but I've started to learn to control them jut by relaxing. I also have no experience doing reverse kegels, I'm going to try them out soon.

I've just started ByggD's routine, which I'm hopeful about, but I want your advice on what sort of kegel/reverse kegel routine I should start?
Thanks

Tom, IMO kegel and reverse kegel exercises provide two benefits. First, body awareness. Second, strength and control of the muscles.

Your first step was becoming aware of your involuntary kegel. Although there are several other awareness steps you need to take, knowing is half the battle. Here is something you need to pay attention to the next few times you take a leak.

First is the push, you whip it out and start your pee. The push you're feeling relaxes something down there allowing you to pee. This relaxation also allows more blood to enter your penis. You might notice (if you're a grower) that your flaccid gets longer while you pee. Learning to replicate the relaxation action without peeing is your RK. Learning to RK without holding your breath is preferred. Learning to RK while thrusting during sex is the ultimate goal.

Second thing to look for is squeezing out the last drops. You get to the end of your piss and you shoot out a couple more short shots. That is your kegel. As you become more aware and gain more control you will be able to stop mid stream (kegel) then start again (reverse kegel). The benefit of the kegel is to build enough strength and control and permit you to clench through the ejaculatory kegels during your orgasm. Another is increasing the force of your ejaculate, so when you do ejaculate you heighten the pleasure of your partner or are forced to clean the walls.

I recommend practicing any kind of kegel (say 3 sets of 20 quick kegels) until you develop the ability to hold a kegel. In addition practice identifying the RK each time you start to pee. Once you're able to do an RK, practice it during edging, balooning, or sex. After accomplishing these things you should be able to create your own program.

I've found it difficult to RK after doing kegel sets so I do RK sets then kegel sets. Eventually I plan to alternate sets (RK, K, RK, K).

**OldRocker** · 11-12-2011

Tom89,

Good choice. ByggD's guide is a Goldmine if you are serious about evolving your sexual response. It disolves the mental vs. physical debate by addressing both in an understanding manner.

Practice and attention to the details will give you a greater awareness of your own response mechanisms.

In time and practice it may take you rather than overtake you.

**Tom89** · 11-14-2011

Originally Posted by namsokiek

Tom, IMO kegel and reverse kegel exercises provide two benefits. First, body awareness. Second, strength and control of the muscles.

Your first step was becoming aware of your involuntary kegel. Although there are several other awareness steps you need to take, knowing is half the battle. Here is something you need to pay attention to the next few times you take a leak.

First is the push, you whip it out and start your pee. The push you're feeling relaxes something down there allowing you to pee. This relaxation also allows more blood to enter your penis. You might notice (if you're a grower) that your flaccid gets longer while you pee. Learning to replicate the relaxation action without peeing is your RK. Learning to RK without holding your breath is preferred. Learning to RK while thrusting during sex is the ultimate goal.

Second thing to look for is squeezing out the last drops. You get to the end of your piss and you shoot out a couple more short shots. That is your kegel. As you become more aware and gain more control you will be able to stop mid stream (kegel) then start again (reverse kegel). The benefit of the kegel is to build enough strength and control and permit you to clench through the ejaculatory kegels during your orgasm. Another is increasing the force of your ejaculate, so when you do ejaculate you heighten the pleasure of your partner or are forced to clean the walls.

I recommend practicing any kind of kegel (say 3 sets of 20 quick kegels) until you develop the ability to hold a kegel. In addition practice identifying the RK each time you start to pee. Once you're able to do an RK, practice it during edging, balooning, or sex. After accomplishing these things you should be able to create your own program.

I've found it difficult to RK after doing kegel sets so I do RK sets then kegel sets. Eventually I plan to alternate sets (RK, K, RK, K).

Thanks a lot for your help. I've been focusing on the relaxation when I start to pee and trying to replicate it during masturbation/edging. That, along with relaxing other muscles, has had an incredible effect already with how long I can last. I think with more work over a few weeks I'll be really progressing and able to start proper Kegel and RK excercises with holding etc.

Your explanation of how to identify the feelings massively helped, so cheers!