frustrated

[aussie_jim]

I have been doing minutemans pe program for 4 weeks now, as well as daily penis stretches and just incorporated a RK routine.

Results are easy to see when edging with the stu, i can last for 20-30 minutes in some positions.

However when things get hot and heavy and i'm making out with a chick, i generally blow my load as soon as she pulls my member out...

This has always been the case, i've never been able to even get to the point of insertion sober or without meds. But it begs the question why? I'm more mindful of my arousal (breathing, involuntary kegals etc). But as soon as she goes down there, even without involuntary kegals, I'm literally at PONR.

Advice?

[longerlastingnoob]

Whats your exact time to reach ponr when edging or using stu?

[Pegasus]

A boxer has to learn, how to tranfer his skills developed in the gym, into an actual bout. So do you.

[akaTrex]

When I first started my journey I used mind games to control my reactions. ie PE.
Then I absolutely hated Basketball and would visualize a game in progress while in action if you know what i mean.

I was able to last for as long as I wanted. When it was my turn I tuned out the game.

[longerlastingnoob]

It seems strange to me that a person can last 15-20 mins edging but when when with a girl or sexual partner they can blow there load within a few seconds. I know that arousal and anxiety can be a problem for people but surely this huge difference is down to not being used to it. I don't believe in the no porn theory because if porn is too arousing and gets you off quicker real sex is going to be an even bigger problem. Edging/ massturbation without porn or other stimulus will have you last longer obviously but thats why i think guys do this for so long think there making progress and then blow their load with a girl in seconds. Getting used to high arousal levels as opposed to avoiding them will surely better prepare you for the real thing.
A boxer doesn't just train to hit hard and avoid getting hit, he trains to be able to take punches aswel.

[akaTrex]

Your BRAIN is the Largest and Most POWERFUL SEX organ in your Body.
What part of the body does PORN affect/influence? DA BRAIN!

You can Edge or Masturbate without PORN.

Many men cannot climax with a lady after desensitising their brain with PORN!

[kickinthemebs]

It just takes time and a hell of a lot of practice mate, you will get it eventually. It is probably psychological when you are with your lady, try to take deep belly breaths and stay relaxed. Have a wank before a sexual encounter. Edging skills take time to transfer over into the bedroom. Go easy on yourself.

[longerlastingnoob]

YES I understand it affects the brain thats my point. You said it all in your post many men can't climax with there partner because of desensitization to porn. My pont is people with pre e are given the impression to stop watching porn and other highly arousing things and do there work and then they will last longer but they are gettin used to lasting lon with no other stimulus so when the real thing comes along nothing has changed. Obviously overdoing is bad and can lead to de and other problems but like anything, alcohol, fatty foods, its about MODERATION. If its something you like doing it doesnt have to be ALL OR NOTHING.

[Jeremiah36]

It seems strange to me that a person can last 15-20 mins edging but when when with a girl or sexual partner they can blow there load within a few seconds. I know that arousal and anxiety can be a problem for people but surely this huge difference is down to not being used to it. I don't believe in the no porn theory because if porn is too arousing and gets you off quicker real sex is going to be an even bigger problem. Edging/ massturbation without porn or other stimulus will have you last longer obviously but thats why i think guys do this for so long think there making progress and then blow their load with a girl in seconds. Getting used to high arousal levels as opposed to avoiding them will surely better prepare you for the real thing.
A boxer doesn't just train to hit hard and avoid getting hit, he trains to be able to take punches aswel.

sometimes anxiety means we get off quicker to porn than the real thing.

[aussie_jim]

Whats your exact time to reach ponr when edging or using stu?

Really varies and depends on what position etc when using the STU.

Could someone give me an example of their kegal routine, i feel i may not be incorporating enough k/rk's into my training

Thanks in advance