Jericho's Log

[Minuteman]

thanks guys, 1 minor question - should i take 1\2 days off sometimes? or can i edge every day?

Don't force yourself to edge every day if you don't want to, it is also a good idea to let your pelvic floor rest so for example you can edge every second day or every third day. It all depends on how you feel, if you feel fatigued you should take a break, if you feel fine and energized then edge.

[_Jericho_]

so i was able to edge last night for an hour and 15 minutes. reached PONR at about an hour and did on\off edging for addition 15 minutes. which makes me kinda wonder and i would like to hear your opinion - it took me 2 weeks to go from 1-2 minutes till reaching PONR even without porn and now i can last an hour with porn. maybe i wasnt suffering from PreE but bad masturbation habits?
i should note i did noting expect learning to relax my pf. i almost had not time for stretching and didnt do yoga\deep squats at all. and still i can see a significant change.

edit: i edged today with lube. was able to last 15 minutes (few weeks ago lasting 3 whole minutes was unrealistic). im thinking of quitting porn. maybe use some images at first just to get an erection and then edge without porn or images.

[sexmaster]

JerichoAB, your progress is very motivating for me, happy that this routine worked for you. Keep on improving

[_Jericho_]

so im starting today the MM3day routine. i edged today at 1am before going to bed (last night\today). i did not count that as part of the 3day routine but i didnt ejaculate.

i noticed that now i can edge forever when im not stimulating the glans or using lube. it took me 30 minutes until i "forced" myself into the PONR. after i reached PONR i stopped and kegel for 10 seconds in order not to ejaculate. right after i kinda felt the need to urinate. which made me think that i might have retro ejaculated. i did not loose erection (as i usually do after Retro Ejaculation) and i reached the PONR in 2 minutes. i reached PONR about 3 times. then took a 5 minute break. and then reached PONR again for the 4th time (took me couple of minutes to get an erection and reach PONR).

so MM\LLN or anyone who has experience with MM 3day routine - i was doing alright? or did i retro ejaculated.

i will start my first edging session in the MM routine today and i will update. i will use lube when edging from now on because i feel i get more stimulation when edging with lube and touching the glans. so now that i can edge for an hour without lube or touching the glans, my goal will be doing the same with lube. after that i will include the fleshlight when edging.

[_Jericho_]

day 1 of MM3day routine gonna count as a both a success and failure.

i did exactly as MM said. i broke my personal record - 20 minutes of edging with alot of lube. and for the first time - i felt like im near the PONR after 5 minutes, but then i was able to last additional 15 more minutes until "i forced" myself into the PONR. that is where is all gone wrong. i reached 1 second before the PONR, then kegel for 5-10 seconds. and i guess i released the kegel too early because i ejaculated a little bit. then i decided its not good enough and i ejaculated.

few things that i've noticed\learned during that experience:
- i can get erected almost without touching my penis.
- for the first time, i felt like im near the PONR for 15 minutes - it felt great, even better than the ejaculation itself).
- the ejaculation DIDNT felt much better than the process itself.
- i began to wonder if i have PreE or not. (i guess i had, but not anymore? at least from the physical point of view).

would be happy to hear the experts thoughts - what should i do in order not to "fail"? maybe stop sooner? because i tend to believe that if i could have hold the kegel for a few more seconds i would've DO.

also would like to hear some feedback about my general situation since the original thread to this point.
also - if i get the urge to urinate after edging - does that means im retro ejaculating? because it happened now even tho i ejacualated

thanks PEGym, and a special thanks to MM and LLN. i know im not even halfway through, but i feel a tremendous change.

gonna restart the routine tomorrow

[Minuteman]

Try to follow the routine as best as you can without adding new things in it. There is really no need to do a kegel hold near PONR just stop before it and either continue after a while or just stop for the day. There is no mention of that in the 3day routine. Also don't restart the routine tomorrow but allow a day to pass before you do it.

Also learn to read in more detail both the 3day routine guide and my posts directed to you in general or ask if you don't understand something since you keep ignoring or not even reading the answers and then keep asking the same questions afterwards. This makes the time and effort that I put into your situation pointless and it demotivates to continue to do so.

day 1 of MM3day routine gonna count as a both a success and failure.

i did exactly as MM said.

No your really didn't. In the guide itself there is no point where I mention that one should hold a kegel hold at PONR especially not in the beginners version which you should been doing. To
top it off 5 days before I advised you to spend at least two weeks with your current plan and you didn't follow it. This all makes it very hard for me to give you advice since you simply don't follow even though you said you will. It is your right not to follow my advice but how can you then expect me to give you further advice if you didn't follow or even noted that you won't follow it.

[_Jericho_]

Try to follow the routine as best as you can without adding new things in it. There is really no need to do a kegel hold near PONR just stop before it and either continue after a while or just stop for the day. There is no mention of that in the 3day routine. Also don't restart the routine tomorrow but allow a day to pass before you do it.

Also learn to read in more detail both the 3day routine guide and my posts directed to you in general or ask if you don't understand something since you keep ignoring or not even reading the answers and then keep asking the same questions afterwards. This makes the time and effort that I put into your situation pointless and it demotivates to continue to do so.



No your really didn't. In the guide itself there is no point where I mention that one should hold a kegel hold at PONR especially not in the beginners version which you should been doing. To
top it off 5 days before I advised you to spend at least two weeks with your current plan and you didn't follow it. This all makes it very hard for me to give you advice since you simply don't follow even though you said you will. It is your right not to follow my advice but how can you then expect me to give you further advice if you didn't follow or even noted that you won't follow it.

hello, first of all i want to say that im reading carefully every word you guys typing here or in other threads. problem is English isn't my first or even second language. so sometimes im making some mistakes, sorry about that .

the reason i tried to do the 3 day routine was because in comment number #7 in this thread (https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...tml#post957300) you said "unless you are doing something like a 3day rotuine." so when i saw you didn't said anything about the fact that it'll be a bad idea to do the 3 day routine i decided to read about it in your thread. and then decided to try it out. because of the fact im already edging, i though that the only difference would be not to ejaculate.

i made a mistake with holding the kegel when reaching the PONR. because i understood you need to reach the PONR. and if i dont feel the need to kegel in order to stop the ejaculation i didnt felt i actually reached the PONR (i did reach high arousal level, but not the PONR).

so if i should not do the 3day for now - should i not hold the kegel even when edging regulary? because i cant really reach PONR and then not hold the kegel. should i simply stop before i feel the need to hold the kegel?

your help is much appreciated, i do try to follow your orders and i feel a positive change. i will re-read the thread so i can better understand the advices and to make sure i didnt missed anything

[Minuteman]

hello, first of all i want to say that im reading carefully every word you guys typing here or in other threads. problem is English isn't my first or even second language. so sometimes im making some mistakes, sorry about that .

the reason i tried to do the 3 day routine was because in comment number #7 in this thread (https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...tml#post957300) you said "unless you are doing something like a 3day rotuine." so when i saw you didn't said anything about the fact that it'll be a bad idea to do the 3 day routine i decided to read about it in your thread. and then decided to try it out. because of the fact im already edging, i though that the only difference would be not to ejaculate.



your help is much appreciated, i do try to follow your orders and i feel a positive change. i will re-read the thread so i can better understand the advices and to make sure i didnt missed anything

No problem, If you don't understand something feel free to ask.

The note about 3day routine was just a example, later on in the same post you can see that:

Let at least one or two month pass before you add new things at this point, don't be premature in though about it, learn how to be a little bit more patient and don't change what works for you now. Why do you feel the need to do more when the thing you are doing now is actually working out for you, are you even aware how many people have the problem finding a good starting ground let alone something that actually works.

In other words, if something works right now stick with it until it stops working and then start adding new things. This is very important in the beginning, later on you will have more flexibility and it will not be as problematic to include new things and techniques.

i made a mistake with holding the kegel when reaching the PONR. because i understood you need to reach the PONR. and if i dont feel the need to kegel in order to stop the ejaculation i didnt felt i actually reached the PONR (i did reach high arousal level, but not the PONR).

so if i should not do the 3day for now - should i not hold the kegel even when edging regulary? because i cant really reach PONR and then not hold the kegel. should i simply stop before i feel the need to hold the kegel?

As for the 3day routine:

You don't need to reach PONR while edging but if you reach it don't use kegel hold, that is an advanced move and it is better left for much later.

Can you explain to me more the need to hold the kegel when you are near PONR (point of not return, the point that if you cross it you will start to ejaculate)? Is this something your body will automatically do or is it something you do intentionally?

Anyway the answer is probably that you need to stop before you feel the need to hold hold the kegel, in other words you stop near PONR.

To get into more detail about PONR, the point of no return means that once you reach that point you can't return back, that means that in order to edge but not ejaculate you need to go near PONR and not to or at PONR since at that point the ejaculation process had already started.

You are not the first one to make this mistake since I have seen it occur with many beginners which simply masturbate then when they are about to ejaculate they hold the kegel in order to stop ejaculation instead of stopping before that point. And it always confused me why did they do that but I think that with your description I get why.

So in conclusion stick with your original plan and attempt the 3day routine only once and then post your observations here, then we will see what should be the next move.

[_Jericho_]

[QUOTE=Minuteman;959858]

Can you explain to me more the need to hold the kegel when you are near PONR (point of not return, the point that if you cross it you will start to ejaculate)? Is this something your body will automatically do or is it something you do intentionally?

Anyway the answer is probably that you need to stop before you feel the need to hold hold the kegel, in other words you stop near PONR.

To get into more detail about PONR, the point of no return means that once you reach that point you can't return back, that means that in order to edge but not ejaculate you need to go near PONR and not to or at PONR since at that point the ejaculation process had already started.

You are not the first one to make this mistake since I have seen it occur with many beginners which simply masturbate then when they are about to ejaculate they hold the kegel in order to stop ejaculation instead of stopping before that point. And it always confused me why did they do that but I think that with your description I get why.

So in conclusion stick with your original plan and attempt the 3day routine only once and then post your observations here, then we will see what should be the next move.

thank you, with that explanation i understood my mistake. i wasn't reaching NEAR PONR. i was edging until i was AT the point of no return. it that point its either kegel or ejaculate. when people wrote here (in PEGym forums in general) that you should reach the PONR i always thought it mean reaching the 1 second before ejaculation. so i thought that ejaculation itself was actually the PONR. thats why i naturally wrote here that i held the kegel and didnt understood where i went wrong.

i actually was doing that (kegel hold) even before i discovered PE. in my teen years when i masturbated i reached PONR within a minute or so, but in order not to ejaculate i held the kegel. and then kept going after holding the kegel. i dont think i was DOing, because i didnt felt pleasure from holding the kegel (or maybe i simply got used to it?), i was simply helping my body no to ejaculate so i could keep masturbating. so if focused enough, i can hold the kegel and stop myself from ejaculation fairly easy, is that good or normal? i should note that if im starting edging again after holding the kegel my glans become really sensitive and i have to wait 20 seconds otherwise i'll reach the PONR in a matter of seconds.

So in conclusion stick with your original plan and attempt the 3day routine only once and then post your observations here, then we will see what should be the next move.

just making sure i understood - i should try the 3day routine in the a few days and then post my observations here?

[Minuteman]

[QUOTE=JerichoAB;959987]

thank you, with that explanation i understood my mistake. i wasn't reaching NEAR PONR. i was edging until i was AT the point of no return. it that point its either kegel or ejaculate. when people wrote here (in PEGym forums in general) that you should reach the PONR i always thought it mean reaching the 1 second before ejaculation. so i thought that ejaculation itself was actually the PONR. thats why i naturally wrote here that i held the kegel and didnt understood where i went wrong.

i actually was doing that (kegel hold) even before i discovered PE. in my teen years when i masturbated i reached PONR within a minute or so, but in order not to ejaculate i held the kegel. and then kept going after holding the kegel. i dont think i was DOing, because i didnt felt pleasure from holding the kegel (or maybe i simply got used to it?), i was simply helping my body no to ejaculate so i could keep masturbating. so if focused enough, i can hold the kegel and stop myself from ejaculation fairly easy, is that good or normal? i should note that if im starting edging again after holding the kegel my glans become really sensitive and i have to wait 20 seconds otherwise i'll reach the PONR in a matter of seconds.

Yes thanks to you I noticed the mistake a good number of beginners make in regards to PONR so this was constructive for both you and me. When somebody says edge to PONR most often that means edge till you get the urge to ejaculate but then stop (without using kegel etc just stop), so to clarify most of the time I would use 'edge near PONR' for that very reason. As you get more and more experienced with edging you will be able to stop closer and closer (or nearer and neared) to PONR.

i was simply helping my body no to ejaculate so i could keep masturbating. so if focused enough, i can hold the kegel and stop myself from ejaculation fairly easy, is that good or normal? i should note that if im starting edging again after holding the kegel my glans become really sensitive and i have to wait 20 seconds otherwise i'll reach the PONR in a matter of seconds.

I am not really sure whether it is normal (and the answer will probably become a theory whether DO is a natural movement or not but we'll leave that for another time) but right now it is not a good idea to do that, so for now just avoid doing it at all whenever you can.

just making sure i understood - i should try the 3day routine in the a few days and then post my observations here?

Yes try it in a few days and post the observations here then return to your routine before it for a week or two more. This is because I want you to get the most out of edging before you introduce new techniques.