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Thank you for the research, Pegasus.
How did I miss this thread ? I have all the bladder symptoms regarding tight pelvic floor. Coincidence ? I think NOT !
My pf is currently very tight and brings with it a miriad of symptoms. My urine flow is ridiculously slow. I asked a few buddies of mine (who don't have pre-e) how their flow was: they all had powerful flow.
Welcome.
Yes it comes up now and again pelvic floor causing toilet issues . There is one active right now.
https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...ml#post1540619
Here is a speil from my local physio who treats both men and women for pelvic issues,
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Physio for Chronic Pelvic Pain
Did you know that physiotherapy can effectively help you manage chronic pelvic pain?
Several studies have shown that specific physiotherapy techniques can help alleviate the pain associated with:
– painful bladder syndrome or interstitial cystitis
– endometriosishttps://physioredcliffe.com.au/wp-co...is-218x300.jpg
– vaginismus and other sexual pain disorders
– IBS
– proctalgia fugax
Often these pain disorders can be exacerbated by or even have its genesis in trigger points in the abdomen and pelvic muscles.
Relieving tightness and pain through these muscles can markedly reduce the pain experienced in these conditions.
What should I expect from a physio assessment session?
Our physiotherapist, Rachel, has specific training in this area and will ask you a series of questions to develop a comprehensive overview of your condition.
Physical assessment usually involves gentle palpation of the stomach, buttock and thigh muscles to identify “hot spots” that require further treatment.
The physio will then may assess your pelvic floor function by doing an internal examination, depending on your condition and how comfortable you feel with this.
How long before I should expect to see a change in my pain?
Relief may be instantaneous or gradual over a few sessions.
If you have any questions about whether your condition is appropriate for treatment, or you would like to book in a session with Rachel, please give us a call on:
Hi Pegasus,
Great thread here!
Have you been doing research between the practice of ''genital breathing'' (Tantra, Tao) and the new science-based practice of kegels and reverse kegels?
Also, regarding my profession, I am still looking for a quick and efficient test to know if you have more weak or tight PC muscles. Obviously, if you can't stop yourself from peeing for few seconds, then generally you have weak PC muscles. But how you, Pegasus, would test to see if you have tight PC muscles, and if you can relax them?
I saw somewhere that increasing the flow of urine/bowel movement while inhaling was a good indicator, and a good way to learn how to ''relax'' your PC muscles by ''pushing down''. Would you agree on that?
Thank you for all this great info and articles!
So far as I understand the mystic traditions are at the physical level useing similar methods as I do . They use visualisations to effect this . Their language is so hard to make out though and lack any clarity . You can waste a lot of time and efforts trying to work out what they are geting at . Besides there is no need for the mysticism or to get caught up in their religion .
A physio could do tests for muscle tension /flexibility on the spot . Over the net I can ask things like how flexibile they are in Hindi squat toilet issues if they get IK etc . A lot of the time the guy just tells me hey I have tight Pf.
Pushing down hmmm this hints at reverse kegel(rk) and the physio seem to call rk pelvic drop. Fact is a lot of guys find this very hard to do and need a lot of coaching on it . In many cases they need to do hindi sqquat and similar stretches to loosen the area before they can accomplish them.
I’ve just come across this thread, thanks Pegasus. Very interesting insight. I’ve been working on Pre-E issues for a while. I’ve made some decent improvements - basically previously was <2 mins but now consistently on avg 5 mins but still not totally happy with control. I’ve noticed that I seem to have nocturia mainly issues with not feeling that my bladder empties fully. Most nights (and this has been happening for over a year or more I’d say) I would have to go to toilet 3 times before I can sleep. The other day I decided to ring the doctor and she wants me to visit a urologist to ensure things are ok. As some of you know I’ve struggled with low back/SI joint/ tailbone pain for a few years. I’ve worked on mobility / strength but still haven’t rid my body as of yet of the restrictions. Awaiting scan on whole hip area too. I think this article resonates strongly with me. I think I must have a hypertonic pelvic floor . I’ll await consultant appointments/ scans etc to see what my next step is. Ultimately my intention is to get this body to a place where I don’t have daily limitations. The hope then is that Pre-e will not be a concern and I will learn better control.
Thanks
Hmm so back/hip issues are often implicated with hypertonic pelvic floor . So a physio is the normal person to work on this with you . These days some physio also have a special interest in pelvic floor .Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelvis
Pm me with how this goes moving forward .
Thank you. So I have spent many hours and euros in various different physios/physical therapists/osteopath/chiropractor . Many hours doing mobility / strength work. I haven’t tried a pelvic physio as of yet - might be an option. I’ll see how these new investigations go (if I ever get an appt with ongoing COVID )Quote:
Originally Posted by Pegasus
Thanks so much for your help
My sympathy back issues are notoriously difficult to treat
Hey Pegasus, spent a couple of weeks reading through this forum trying to self diagnose my issues, haven't seen any improvements in my PE sadly though. Your insistence on pelvic floor physio motivated me to try it myself so I have an appointment on wednesday with a pelvic floor physiotherapist.
What I know is my hips and pelvic floor are way too tight, I have very little mobility in my hips in general, for my entire life I was never able to do a standing toe touch. A few months ago I realized it was because I literally had no movement in my hips but was only stretching my back. So I have been working on that and now I am sorta able to do it.
Back in November (before I had heard about this forum) I was researching what the cause of PE might be and came across this paper, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4003840/, which lead me down this rabbit hole to start.
So I just wanted say thanks, hopefully this helps. I will start my own thread about my journey after my physio appointment and keep myself consistent with improving this.
Hopefully my wife can thank you too within a couple of months.