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    Hey all. I've been reading these forums the past month as I feel my PreE has worsened recently and I wanted to do something about it.

    Firstly my situation - I'm 25 and have been with my GF for 9 years. Premature ejaculation has never really been an issue throughout this. I mean I've never been an all night long kind of guy but 5 minutes of intense sex has easily been achievable for most of the 9 years, perhaps with the odd slip up but not enough to worry about. I think over the past year it has got slightly worse and during March I had a bit of a run where each time I was not lasting long at all (usually its just the odd occasion). Luckily I can get my girl off pretty easy so with the right build up we can have sex for even 30 seconds and climax together for example. Sadly build up does not always work and there has been a few times recently where she has not climaxed which is rare and really makes me feel down because half of my satisfaction is from making her satisfied also. So I've done some more research and here's a list of a few things I've been trying out..

    Reverse Kegel's
    - At first I was really struggling with these, couldn't feel much and was straining myself too much. Over the month though they have certainly become easier. At first standing was the only way I really felt much so I've been doing that. Now I can do them while sitting and laying down but have to strain myself more. Hoping these also become easier. While they are good they still get beat by strong IK's
    Edging - Not stop/start technique. I have been doing it as to get close to ponr and hold off IK's, I've varied from 10 minutes to 2 hours of edging (long sessions with lube short sessions are dry generally). Main thing I've got from this is being aware of what is happening to my pelvic floor muscles and other sensations.
    Death grip - this has been a bit come and go, sometimes it brings me near ponr very fast and other times I start to lose my erection so has been difficult to try for decent periods of time.
    Stretches - I noticed that when pulling or squeezing my penis under the head that I would IK so I've been trying these while relaxing or doing RK's.
    Ballooning - Mainly during edging when near ponr I rub around the glans and around the frenulum. Also gives me more IK's for me to practice overcoming.
    Deep breathing- I have been about 3-4 times a week been doing different breathing techniques. Deep breathing while counting 1-100 and also deep breathing counting each breath 1-100 (only manage 1-50 before losing focus atm). Have also done a bit of the RK on inhale and relax on exhale method.
    Arousal control - Easy during edging but in the heat of the moment I really do struggle to contain my excitement. I am very attracted to my partner and fantasise about her a lot. I don't really want to be looking around the room trying to think of things either but have found I can momentarily hold back if I focus on something. I can't get as involved which kind of ruins it if I'm honest. I do want to be able to enjoy the moment not focus on other things out of the bedroom. I figure there is a balance as I used to get highly aroused before and could last longer.
    Dry rubbing- I had an idea desensitising my dick may help as I started to think I was hypersensitive. So I had 2 consecutive days where I dry rubbed for 20 mins but this just made me sore, I think I was a bit over the top hoping it would really work. Had to give a few days to repair fully and was no different after.
    Jelq - Only on my last edge session did I jelq which is pretty effortless and I think helped me work on being aware and holding off IK's.

    Okay so I've probably overloaded with different techniques and not put real effort into doing a proper day by day routine of any of them. I've really just been trying it all out and learning with different methods I suppose. I've spent most of April trying out these different techniques and haven't really got anywhere with lasting longer at sex although I do feel I've progressed solo.

    This thread is sort of a log and is mainly made so I can ask a few specific questions. First I'll explain what methods I'm going to try and continue and see what thoughts you lot may have..

    My Routine - From now on I will be doing daily RK's, 10 minutes of pushing exercises 2 times a day and then just light RK holds during the day and when it comes into my mind, generally just trying to keep my pelvic floor relaxed. I will continue edging sessions trying for minimum 30 minutes to a maximum 2 hours about 3-4 times a week with ballooning near ponr. Edging sessions will be followed with a 5-15 minute jelq session if there is time. I will continue to pay attention to IK's and try to fight them off. Daily breathing techniques, as mentioned I do the 1-100 count while breathing and count my deep breath 1-50. I need to try do the RK breathing (anal breathing?) more often as I think this is good for the relaxation of my pelvic floor also.

    Okay so just a few questions and concerns now..

    • While I sleep I often play with my penis and have erections, I know this as my partner tells me. She even said the other night I was pretty much full on thrusting into her in a spoon position. I am worried this may be making me worse, is it normal? My PreE is noticeably worse in the mornings and I often wake up with a tensed up erection that is crying out to be stimulated.


    • Reverse kegels when I'm getting intense stimulation just feel like I am pushing myself to ponr faster is this normal? It's like I can feel the blood rushing into the head of my penis and it gets way too intense I have to let up and stop, although the IK's are either not there or hardly noticeable I still get closer to ponr. I tried minute mans method of light kegel with light RK release last edge session and it seems to be much more beneficial at fighting away both ponr and the IK's although I did tense a bit hard once and really struggled to relax it nearly making me cum. Any thoughts on all this?


    • When I've edged for a while, if I rub the palm of my hand on the top of my glans the feeling can be crazy intense. Not really any IK's that I noticed but I'd squirm and get vocal which is strange as I can orgasm silent. I don't think this is orgasmic in anyway I think it's just a very intense feeling as in I don't think I'd orgasm doing this. Anyone had anything like this? I can try explain in more detail if needed I guess..


    • When solo I can struggle to get aroused if I'm not already in the mood. This has caused me to use porn and cock rings during edging, not always but I have needed them. Is this bad? Should I just not bother if I can't get hard or would that be less beneficial to me?


    • Following on from the last concern, when I'm with my partner I have no trouble whatsoever getting hard, in fact it's quite the opposite. The thing pops up if I even think shes going to touch it or if we talk about sex or if I touch/tickle/massage her etc. Is this abnormal? Am I too turned on by her? I'd assume this was part of my PreE had I not always been like this.


    • I can last longer with BJ's and hand jobs, although the last HJ was over quick strangely, I think because I am thinking too much about the PreE. Anyway a few months ago I'd usually of had to force myself to cum with HJ's and BJ's and probably still would in the right scenarios. Why is it I can be fine with this but not sex recently? Also something I intend to try, when having sex in other rooms aside from the bedroom I last longer. We've even had to move to the bedroom so I can finish before. It will be interesting to see how I am with my newly developed PreE in another room.


    • Since trying to control myself and 'spread' arousal or stimulation through my body I have noticed some strange feelings but only really with the BJ so far. I get very tingly sensations. Most noticeably on the top of my head (my actual head not my dick lol). Actually these were really nice. Any idea what these are about?


    I think this just about covers most of it, there's probably a few other questions that I am not thinking of right now but will post if any of them pop into my head. I've really rambled on here. Apologies my grammar is not brilliant either. Eventually I'd like to be MMO if I feel like I am moving along the right path also. Either way it's really nice learning so much and noticing much more what is happening down there and throughout my body during stimulation.

    Thank you for taking the time to read my post and I appreciate any replies.
    Nocturnal.
    Nocturnal1
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    Last edited by Nocturnal1; 05-02-2015, 12:10 AM.

  • #2
    Okay so today I tried something new with my partner. She was out at work so I had an hour of edging with no ejac, IK's were not too bad. She gets home and I can tell she is up for it, this is where the new part comes in for 8 years now we have not been using condoms so I decided to try it out see how I felt. I immediately felt control on entering which is something I have struggled with since beginning of March. Anyway it was all good but then as she started to climax after about 2 minutes I'm not sure what happened but I just lost all control, maybe I got into the moment too much but my pelvic floor went tight and would not relax. As she was cumming I just continued to pump and we climaxed together anyway so not too disappointing but I really wanted to not cum.

    This is where I'm a bit confused, so I understand the IK's just like little spasms, right? Why is it I go tight so I get an IK but it does not release. Is this what an IK is and I'm just getting confused with IK's and spasms? Or is it just what happens at PONR. I never really noticed this extreme tightness until I started doing RK's either. Would this just be because my pelvic floor is more relaxed now so when it flexes the other way it is more noticeable? I feel I can control the spasms reasonably well now but the strong IK that doesn't release puts me over the edge.

    Sorry about all the questions lol, I do ramble on a bit.

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    • #3
      Hey mate. I'm very much the same way with a lot of this. I am not sure with Iks as I tend to panic at the slightest little movement when I'm edging. I don't know enough to be able to give you much advice but from my experiences try to do some a lot of deep squats, lunges and stretch a shitload. For me it is helping a lot and I have only done it for just over a week. Yoga poses to stretch pelvic floor and just stretch stretch and stretch. Only edging but has improved me from 5-10 minutes to as long as I want until I start thrusting. Haha also I know what's it's like having a thousand questions in your mind at once but they are brilliant on this site and really go out of there way to help

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      • #4
        Oh and good luck mate.

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        • #5
          It is fine to have IK's just before ejaculation and it is part of the ejaculation process.

          When normal guys have sex, their nervous system stays in relaxed or parasympathetic mode for a while or as much as they want. When stimulation (mental or physical) is much increased, the nervous system automatically switches to sympathetic or tense mode. The muscles clench and spasms start involuntarily and the ejaculation process starts.

          In other words, you have good control when you are in parasympathetic (relaxed) mode, and you have no control when you are in sympathetic (tensed) mode. IK is an indication that your nervous system is trying to switch to sympathetic mode. At this point you should either lower the stimulation to stay in parasympathetic (relaxed) mode or otherwise ejaculation process will start.

          The problem with premature ejaculators is that their nervous system switches to the sympathetic (tense) mode very early or easily.

          The solution is to keep yourself in relaxed mode by making conscious efforts like slow edging, deep breathing, reverse kegals etc.

          Engaging in sports and other physical activity is also very important. It balances out chemistry. Read more here:
          https://www.pegym.com/forums/blogs/s...ation-fix.html

          Thanks

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          • #6
            Sameel its very very effective info!! Thanks you very much.

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            • #7
              That's brilliant!! I'm getting more active!! Cheers big fella

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Haydos380 View Post
                Hey mate. I'm very much the same way with a lot of this. I am not sure with Iks as I tend to panic at the slightest little movement when I'm edging. I don't know enough to be able to give you much advice but from my experiences try to do some a lot of deep squats, lunges and stretch a shitload. For me it is helping a lot and I have only done it for just over a week. Yoga poses to stretch pelvic floor and just stretch stretch and stretch. Only edging but has improved me from 5-10 minutes to as long as I want until I start thrusting. Haha also I know what's it's like having a thousand questions in your mind at once but they are brilliant on this site and really go out of there way to help
                Cheers for the support bud, good luck in your journey also .

                I have tried a few squats and did feel nicely relaxed after so will try and incorporate them into my routine. I do struggle with them though, they hurt my knees if I try hold the squat for over a minute.

                Originally posted by sameel View Post
                It is fine to have IK's just before ejaculation and it is part of the ejaculation process.

                When normal guys have sex, their nervous system stays in relaxed or parasympathetic mode for a while or as much as they want. When stimulation (mental or physical) is much increased, the nervous system automatically switches to sympathetic or tense mode. The muscles clench and spasms start involuntarily and the ejaculation process starts.

                In other words, you have good control when you are in parasympathetic (relaxed) mode, and you have no control when you are in sympathetic (tensed) mode. IK is an indication that your nervous system is trying to switch to sympathetic mode. At this point you should either lower the stimulation to stay in parasympathetic (relaxed) mode or otherwise ejaculation process will start.

                The problem with premature ejaculators is that their nervous system switches to the sympathetic (tense) mode very early or easily.

                The solution is to keep yourself in relaxed mode by making conscious efforts like slow edging, deep breathing, reverse kegals etc.

                Engaging in sports and other physical activity is also very important. It balances out chemistry. Read more here:
                https://www.pegym.com/forums/blogs/s...ation-fix.html

                Thanks
                Thank you very much. It makes much more sense to me now, I will look up more on this sympathetic mode.

                Exercising is an interesting one as I used to do groundwork which was hard labour and I used to last much better back then. Now I have a job which is office based. I will try and do some physical activity which is actually something I've been meaning to do anyway as I'm only getting older and with no exercise it's only going to catch up with me one day lol .


                I had a good edging session earlier, firstly I sat and looked at porn for 10 minutes to help lift my arousal spent 10 minute dry masturbating lubed up and slipped a cock ring on. continued to edge and only had to stop about 3-4 times in the hour, when I say stop I mean just momentarily before ballooning and then going back to edging. I did get a bit carried away with the porn and enjoying what I was watching and noticed myself get very sensitive and the IK's kicked in, I assume my arousal went too high. Slowing down and looking away from the porn helped massively. I then finished off the hour with 5 minute of Jelqs. I think part of my idea of this session was to try test myself and what my pelvic floor does when I allow myself to get highly aroused from porn, I'm starting to think arousal is part of my problem because of the fact I'm always getting hard around my partner but struggle when solo.

                So today was..
                • 10 minutes of mixed porn, images and videos nothing too hardcore.
                • 10 minutes of dry edging, mostly to see if I could keep myself hard without the cock ring which I could.
                • 40 minutes with a cock ring and lube, with 3-4 pauses with ballooning.
                • 5 minutes of jelq at the end to finish off. No ejaculation.
                Nocturnal1
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                Last edited by Nocturnal1; 05-01-2015, 05:50 PM.

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                • #9
                  Quick update.. Change of plan really for now.

                  I'm now going to be doing NoFap of a sort. For the next 90 days I will not look at porn and will not self ejaculate. I will be able to balloon, maybe edge and will allow my partner to bring me to climax with her mouth or with sex.

                  I think half my problem is over arousal, I just get so horny and gagging for it that once I go in I'm already set to blow. The excitement is too much for me to control. I know NoFap is not liked on here all that much and I am sure there is other ways but I am going to try this for now and see how I go as I feel it is linked with my over excitement and fast arousal levels.

                  Another reason is because when I edge I struggle to achieve full erection without porn, and yet still struggle to maintain full erection. It's like its either not at its full or it's ready to blow. There does not seem to be an in between so by giving myself a rest hopefully I can start achieving full erections without porn allowing me to edge and balloon more effectively. Also don't want to head down the path of both ED and PE. One is bad enough.

                  I've had sex 2 times since my last post, first was a complete failure and the next the following day I fucked her like a porn star I'm still aching a day later. First was straight to the sex no condom, second was after I gave her oral and used a condom. I feel the second time I had lasted longer partly because the condom but also partly because the initial excitement had died down after giving her oral. I'll give it a go anyway and see how it goes .

                  Edit- I'll also use this rest to focus on the correct pelvic floor exercises (RK's) as I think edging everyday trying to fight IK's with little success was just hindering my progress.
                  Nocturnal1
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                  Last edited by Nocturnal1; 05-05-2015, 03:41 PM.

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                  • #10
                    So a few questions on RK's as I've been focusing on these while giving my knob a break. Doing them for a while and at first I really feel it then it starts to feel less noticeable. Are my muscles fatigued or have I relaxed my PF?

                    I did the RK's, feel I can do them and hold light ones for quite a while now but hard RK's need abs still and I'm straining myself. I can pretty much stay in a light RK providing I don't touch my dick.

                    When I stopped feeling them as well I did light kegel followed by RK (Anal breathing I think?). This makes me notice the RK's again so I do for example 10 minutes of RK's until I can't do them or feel them any more and then start doing anal breathing to feel them again. This sound normal?

                    Also I struggle to hold a kegel squeeze more than 5 seconds. Should I be trying to work on these too? Maybe part of the reason I can not control them is because how weak they are. I read that an RK only routine is best at first but maybe I should throw some kegels in. (Anal breathing is a good way I guess as it uses both)

                    Also I have been having a few twitches in the PF. Is this a good or bad sign? Maybe overworked?

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                    • #11
                      If your having twitches then I'd advise a rest, when you do start back include regular kegels because you should be able to hold for more than 5 secs.

                      Since you can edge for very long I think what you need to improve your sex is practice thrusting and in difficult positions ( lying, kneeling or wherever you find harder to control ).
                      A Game of Bones. A Stretch With Rice And Fire.

                      Start1/04/15:BPEL:7.1 MEG:5.2 -1/07/15:BPEL:7.2 MEG:5.4

                      Edging For Premature Ejaculation./
                      Pelvic Floor Balance./
                      Minute Man'snKegel Master List./ Reverse Kegels./
                      JP90 Routine./ Conditioning Your Wang.

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                      • #12
                        Okay I'll rest for a day, the twitches were only minor and lasted about 10-20 seconds and I've had it happen on 2 occasions today. Is it a sign it's being overworked? I probably can hold for longer than 5 seconds but to hold any longer I'm putting my whole body into it and probably look like I'm sucking on a lemon lol. I'll keep it RK weighted but will throw in some kegels now.

                        Yeah I can edge or masturbate by myself for ages if I take my time and use imagination, porn is okay if I watch but don't immerse myself so to speak. I think my problem comes down mostly to over arousal and has recently got worse due to anxiety. I try to think positive but the thought jumps in my mind, 'am I going to go' 'oh no I'm feeling ready to blow I'm screwed' etc so its another thing I'm trying to do is think positive and tell myself I will or can and have lasted long periods of time. I'll try doing more positions and movement as I've only really done laying down and standing.. Main reason I haven't done too much thrusting etc is because it distracts me from noticing and stopping IK's. Sure I'll get it nailed with some practice .

                        I've got some extra thick condoms so we are going to use them for a while as lasting longer should boost my confidence hopefully it'll come to a point where I'm taking the condom off half way through to get the full sensation.

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                        • #13
                          Still on the AP90 nofap whatever you wanna call it. Not got round to doing any edging or balloning yet and I'm currently on day 13.

                          Updating as I had sex the other night with a condom. Had good control and was great. Real confidence boost so come the next day we're messing about so I decided to try without a condom and alas I had great control and lasted a good 5 minutes before I was happy to let myself finish as she was done and it was in the shower anyway.

                          Think I'm on the right path here but not clear yet as she was playing with my dick last night and I was feeling very sensitive and ready to go before I stopped her as didn't want to cum.

                          Because of the recent sucess I've let my motivation for the exercises slip for about 3 days now so will get back on those starting today.

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                          • #14
                            Day 24 control has still improved but it still feels ready to blow on occasion. I think I'm going to start to try a DO route after the AP90. Definitely been some nice improvement though.

                            I've been reading up on my night time fondling and it sounds like I have something called sleep sex, I'm usually just playing with myself but have tried to initiate sex a few times and I often wake up with my cock out pressed against my partners ass. I think this is partly why I'm always so ready to blow in the morning. Going to speak to a doctor anyway see what can be done.

                            I've been doing a lot of kegels recently too as I feel the area in general was too weak. Still mixing it up with RK's though. The pelvic floor breathing has to be a good balance between the 2.
                            Nocturnal1
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                            Last edited by Nocturnal1; 05-25-2015, 11:46 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Are you edging, or still on no fap?
                              A Game of Bones. A Stretch With Rice And Fire.

                              Start1/04/15:BPEL:7.1 MEG:5.2 -1/07/15:BPEL:7.2 MEG:5.4

                              Edging For Premature Ejaculation./
                              Pelvic Floor Balance./
                              Minute Man'snKegel Master List./ Reverse Kegels./
                              JP90 Routine./ Conditioning Your Wang.

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