MadYogi's PE Log

[madyogi]

4/30 -- Rest day
5/1 -- Low intensity stretch day
5/2 -- Med intensity - stretches, 300 jelqs, uli, edging
5/3 -- Intercourse Saturday night AND Sunday morning!!! Took Sunday off
5/4 -- High intensity - stretches, 450 jelq, uli, edging
5/5 -- Off Day

These workouts were sort of thrown together as I could get to them. Didn't have a great oppotunity to record structure or stress/strain. Like I said, things have been crazy busy. Today is somewhat back to normal. At least Covid normal anyway.

[Dangler]

The definition of normal, is left to the individual, and may vary from day to day.

[madyogi]

5/6 -- Low Intensity Day 3 in Current Cycle (50 minutes)

• 10-min warmup
• Manual Stretch Sequence 1 (MSS-1) x 4
• Opposing Lunge Stretches
• 100 Side-To-Sides
• Opposing Lunge Stretches Again
• 100 More Side-To-Sides
• 3 minutes uli
• 20-min edging (with climax)

Stress-Strain Measurements : Pre - 7.125", Post (right after stretching, before uli) - 7.3125" , 2.6% strain

[madyogi]

TGC Theory Revisited and Thoughts Moving Forward

So, I finished my first 90 days pretty much on cloud nine with how well my PE routine was going. I gained 1" BPEL and .25" MSEG during that time. As the 90 days were coming to a close, I noticed a decrease in EQ and an increase in time to full erection. I basically chalked that up to fatigue and figured it was just time for a break. The plan was to come back after 5-7 days' rest and hit the ground running with more or less the same routine that brought me those great gains the first three months.

Now that I am roughly a week back at it, I am seriously re-considering what my program should look like moving forward. EQ has not recovered to the level I had hoped and morning wood is decreased as well. This could indicate that my tissues are fatigued and unable to relax properly to fill with blood, and that more rest is needed. That is certainly possible, and I was considering going back to break mode. It is also possible that stress is playing a role. The past several days have been super busy with family and work stuff, so that could be negatively affecting my indicators, but I generally handle stress well and am not over-anxious as a matter of temperament. While both of these factors could be plausible explanations for my current issues, I really want to keep training and outside of the EQ issues, my little guy is not feeling sore or tired.

So I kept thinking (and hoping) something else might explain my symptoms. Then BallsMahoney started this thread about his apparent plateau, and that prompted me to revisit TGC Theory to see if there was something I might be missing.

Briefly, the theory says you have two potential limitations - Tunica and Smooth Muscle.

Determining your specific limitation should guide your program design.

If Tunica is the limiting factor, your program should be skewed toward length exercises. If Smooth Muscle is the limitation, your program should be skewed toward girth. The theory describes the potential of a "gap" between these two tissues. Basically, your Tunica is like a sleeve. If your Tunica is the limiting factor (meaning your smooth muscle limit is greater than your tunica limit), your EQ will be super high, because the smooth muscle when erect is at the very edge of what the tunica sleeve can handle. To gain size in this scenario you would need to expand the capacity of the sleeve. On the flip side, if the limits of what your Tunica can handle are greater than the limits of how much your smooth muscle can expand (meaning Smooth Muscle is your limiting factor), there will be a gap leading to softer erections, and gains are more likely to be had by increasing Smooth Muscle tissue.

Okay, that's a condensed version, but that's basically the deal as I understand it now. If the theory is correct, the nature of this "gap" should tell you where gains are most likely to be had, and further, it indicates a long-term program is most likely to be successful by oscillating between girth- and length-focused cycles over time. Perhaps most importantly, it presents a possible explanation for my recent decline in EQ that doesn't indicate more rest is needed. It indicates turning my focus more toward girth.

If you've read this far, I'm impressed. I'm finally ready to get to the point.

Early in my program, Tunica was my clear limit based on the facts I had great EQ and my BPFSL was significantly lower than my BPEL. I don't have an initial BPFSL measurement, but 6 weeks in it was still .5" below my BPEL, so I can only assume it was even further below BPEL when I first started PE. Accordingly, my program so far has been skewed heavily toward length gains, and that has clearly worked. BPEL increased by 1" overall, and my BPFSL is now ~7.125", which is an increase of over an inch, even from 6 weeks into the program. And so now I find myself with a decrease in EQ and a BPFSL that is .25" greater than BPEL. The theory predicts these two indicators should move together (as BPFSL begins to exceed BPEL, EQ should start to diminish), and that's exactly what they've done.

To move forward with more of the same length-focused routines is likely to be frustrating and could exacerbate my recent EQ issues. The theory would indicate now is the time to move into a girth-focused phase, and at some point during that process my smooth muscle capacity should "catch up" with the capacity of my tunica, resulting in an increase in EQ (and theoretically BPEL), until the Tunica again becomes the limiting factor, at which point it will be time to switch back into a length-based training cycle.

The next question becomes, How do I retool my program to focus on girth for a while, and potentially prove the theory?

Perhaps it's time to invest in a Bathmate?

[VaultPic]

Couldn't hurt to try clamping, as long as you start off slow I feel it's a lot safer than people think. If it's not for you, a few bucks down the drain.

[madyogi]

Yeah, I've been looking at that. Lots of folks have good luck with it, and I feel plenty conditioned at this point. Certainly a lower price point than a bathmate.

[8x5Goalzz]

I'm kinda new as well, but I'd rely on traditional more proven methods before venturing into territory like that. If you gained an inch in 90 days I'd just keep doing more of the same and add the bathmate or another pump. I personally wouldn't want to risk derailing anything if you can make certain progress in one way.

[madyogi]

I'm kinda new as well, but I'd rely on traditional more proven methods before venturing into territory like that. If you gained an inch in 90 days I'd just keep doing more of the same and add the bathmate or another pump. I personally wouldn't want to risk derailing anything if you can make certain progress in one way.

Another fair point. I am leaning toward simply shifting my manual training to more ULI and Squeezes, with a reduction in stretching and jelqing. I just want to recover my EQ without having to stop training for an extended period of time. It seems the TCG Theory has been correct so far in predicting my EQ reduction, so I figure it's likely I can recover EQ with a more girth-focused program. I'll take tomorrow to consider precise routines going forward, but for today:

5/7 -- Two rounds of edging with 15 x 10 second horse squeezes and no climax

[madyogi]

So, I've been weighing my options going forward, and I think I've settled on a strategy.

I've decided to stay away from the Bathmate for now. Clamping might be an option, but I'm reluctant to start throwing devices into the mix until I recover my EQ. More rest remains a possibility if EQ doesn't improve over the next week, but if my hunch is correct, some girth work should help regain that 25% EQ or so I've been missing.

After reading through Incogneeto's log a bit, I really like his approach of breaking up the work into 2-3 shorter sessions a day as opposed to single marathon sessions like I've been doing. This is easier to manage logistically, and it gives me the opportunity to get a couple extra erections in each day.

My plan for the next week or 10 days is to eliminate stretching and focus on edging and squeezes, perhaps adding some ULIs into the mix as well. I also plan to reduce the use of porn and reduce the frequency of ejaculation, saving those pleasures mostly for when my wife and I get it on. I'll follow a pretty simple structure, 1 or 2 work days in a row with 2 or 3 edging sessions lasting 10-20 minutes with incrementally more/longer squeezes, followed by one off day. I'll do 4-5 rounds of this, then see how things feel in a week or two.

5/8 -- 2 x 15 minute edging sessions 3 hours apart, with 50 squeezes in each, porn for part of one session, no climax

I left the second session just now feeling quite energized, which is a good sign. EQ might be picking up. Difficult to tell at this point, as the difference between 65-70% and 75-80% is pretty tough to distinguish.

I'll rest the remainder of the day and probably tomorrow. My son is spending an extended weekend (tonight and tomorrow night) with grandparents, so I expect there to be some hanky panky. That will be the real test of where my EQ is at right now.

That said, I did take a measurements during the second edging (probably at 80-85% EQ), and BPEL is consistently 6.9375" so length has not suffered, still teetering on the edge of 7". Also girth is right where it has been. EG right below glans actually appears to have ticked up 1/8", so size is not an issue. I'm optimistic if a bit more frequent rest and this new focus on girth work improves EQ, I'll be set to continue seeing gains.

[madyogi]

5/9 -- Best sex I've had a very long time!

Late night sex episode, documented in detail here. Shows my EQ issues are going away nicely. Today will be an off day. Back to edging and squeezing tomorrow.