Vergil to full potential log

[VirgilD5to6]

Switching to personalized routine. Been focused more on building stamina and getting rid of preE.
I ordered an extender and bathmate. Until then:

Morning: 4x5mins pumping, finish with 100 jelqs.
Evening: 4x5 mins pumping, finish with 100 jelqs.

The next day:
Morning: 4x5mins pumping, finish with 100 jelqs.
Evening: Bundled stretches for 20-25 minutes, finish with 100-150 jelqs.

4 consecutive days workout, 1 day rest.

I do preE routine within that. Minuteman's master kegel routine, and edging for 20-25 minutes with a fleshlight (usually before the evening PE workout)

[VirgilD5to6]

preE update / in sex:
I tried my progress during sex. I get way too overexcited and overaroused. I have no control of it. Tried deep breathing, belly breathing, decompression breathing, thinking of something else, nothing worked. My heart was beating fast like I was running a marathon, even though it was just bdsm foreplay. The foreplay was quite long and get bad EQ. When I tried to penetrate her my EQ gets to 7. It's even worse when I put on a condom. I thought the pumping would help me a looooot with that, but doesn't seem like it. I did my best to feel the plateau but reached PONR quickly 1-2 minutes. After I cummed for 2 times, the 3rd time I went on fucking her doggy style for 20-30 minutes slow and hard thrusts. Anytime I tried to speed up really fast, I could feel the PONR, so went back to slow-normal and hard. I tried reverse cowgirl, but seemed I can't control it. It's frustrating, cause during my 3rd time I wasn't in plateau , was focused on staying on arousal level 7 at all times.
I also tried adding additional stimulation with a bullet vibrator on her clit while in doggy, hard to control even after being dried out.

If you guys reading this, and have any tips or advice to give me , I'd highly appreciate it. For now I'll just continue doing the plateau edging (i think it the is same thing from Byggd program - keeping level 7 and pleasurable ). And the Minuteman's kegel routine. I am really in HIGH hopes the edging will help me big time. But the arousal is just crazy to not control. I am gonna try drummer19's suggestion to watch porn in increments and fight getting erection.

[VirgilD5to6]

Today morning session:
Plateau edging - blank mind, with FL. Eyes covered, ears covered. The stopwatch was on. I reached plateau after 14 minutes, was in total plateau for another 10 minutes. BEST edging session ever, best feeling ever. Can't describe it. 100% better than a quick orgasm. Now I really wanna master this, man this feels so fing good.

The scale I use now is:

Arousal of 6-7 - green.
arousal of 7.5-8.5 - yellow.
arousal of 9-9.5 - red.

[VirgilD5to6]

The past few sessions weren't plateau. I was hitting the red zone (scale 9) all the time. Slow strokes in the FL. Since I am uncircumcised, I pulled the skin down, and going slowly in and out with Meditative reverse kegels (deep belly breathing with reverse kegels), getting my penis used to the feeling of being in the mouth and vagina. I have to do the reverse kegels since I get IKs non-stop. I assumed that the frenulum and glans are too sensitive for the FL. I don't get any IKs when I touch them, and either when I do balooning.
I don't know what the hell is happening, and don't know how to be in plateau anymore.

I'll just keep edging like this, and see if there is progress with adapting my penis to the FL.

As for PE, same sessions, sometimes I do it once per day, sometimes twice, or take a full day break.

?? - This morning session I hit the PONR, and held a strong kegel. I let a little bit of cum out, like a pre-cum. Got scared so I kept stroking to go get it all out. But at the end I didn't cum normally, just a little bit more. Worried here fellas. Not sure what it means

[arlos]

?? - This morning session I hit the PONR, and held a strong kegel. I let a little bit of cum out, like a pre-cum. Got scared so I kept stroking to go get it all out. But at the end I didn't cum normally, just a little bit more. Worried here fellas. Not sure what it means

I've done the same.There's a point that's past PONR where you can stop or "ruin" your orgasm usually through tensing via strong kegel. For me it's like a partial orgasm where I cum just a little. It's generally clear but depending on how much it can be normal semen. Look up "Ruined orgasms" and see if it's similar to what you've experienced. Some people like it and there's a niche of porn around it.

When this happens during sex I prefer to slow down and build back up but my final orgasm will still be noticeably different.

[VirgilD5to6]

I've done the same.There's a point that's past PONR where you can stop or "ruin" your orgasm usually through tensing via strong kegel. For me it's like a partial orgasm where I cum just a little. It's generally clear but depending on how much it can be normal semen. Look up "Ruined orgasms" and see if it's similar to what you've experienced. Some people like it and there's a niche of porn around it.

When this happens during sex I prefer to slow down and build back up but my final orgasm will still be noticeably different.

Thank you for the reply man. I re-read the threads on MMO, and can confirm this was a DO. I just thought it would turn into retrograde, got worried and continued stroking to ejaculate fully. Weird of not ejaculating normal though. The kegel suppressed the sperm significantly.

[arlos]

Interesting, some people it's MMO and for others it's a ruined orgasm. The first time it happened to me I thought my semen was stuck so I had to build up to another climax to make sure.

I've found that if I'm especially past PONR where kegeling alone won't stop it then also applying pressure to my penis at the bottom far down near the testicles right above where I can feel myself kegeling and it will prevent me from ejaculating. I can control the flow of the orgasm and velocity of semen by adjusting the pressure.

[neobne]

Hey VirgilD5to6, congrats on your gains with the PE. You have actually inspired me to eventually start PE as well. Thanks for the inspiration man.

Let us know how you progress further along. I'm sure you'll work out how progress with the current wall you seem to have come across.

Can you tell me the pump you were using? Also, when using pumps, how do you know the safe limits?

Best of luck, wish you gains and cures from preE.

[VirgilD5to6]

Hey VirgilD5to6, congrats on your gains with the PE. You have actually inspired me to eventually start PE as well. Thanks for the inspiration man.

Let us know how you progress further along. I'm sure you'll work out how progress with the current wall you seem to have come across.

Can you tell me the pump you were using? Also, when using pumps, how do you know the safe limits?

Best of luck, wish you gains and cures from preE.

Thanks! I use a basic air pump that got from aliexpress for 15$. There are pumps with pressure meter, so the max is 5hg. With mine I don't have one, so I just go to the maximum until my skin starts sucking in, but have to feel comfortable. I don't pump too hard to feel pain.

I have increased the increments now to 7 minutes x 4, and after will continue to 10mins x 2 .

[VirgilD5to6]

Today's morning edging session:
Lasted about 30 minutes. Accidently reached the PONR, held strong kegel but the IKs won over and cummed (my shaft gets too sensitive after some stroking)
I think I have it handled by being in plateau, but I still reach the red zone and can't speed up the pace yet.
After stroking for a few minutes, I get the sensitivity around my shaft and not the glans. From the FL, the artificial tongue "licks" my shaft (especially the first half), I get spasms/IKs and do any kind of belly breathing (looks like belly dancing lol) and medium to strong RKs to fight them. It is so hard to do, but in my mind I just keep imagining transferring the energy from my pelvis to the upper body. Looking like a dancing monkey by experimenting the "belly dancing".
Not sure if it is any progress, but I hope I am getting somewhere.

I haven't found anything on desensitizing the shaft, but with the FL edging, me by pushing towards the PONR hard, and fighting the IKs, will help reduce the sensitivity there and allow me to maintain the plateau , instead of going towards the red zone.


PE: last 2 days break. Today I plan to pump 4x7 minutes.

I am also getting L-arginine 2x500mg per day.