CBateman tries to reach perfection :-)

[CBateman]

Hey BigO!
Great to see an important visitor in my log I completely understand where you are coming from, but I'm basing this on very sound logic.
I don't want to advertise another forum and honor the policy, but the user 'Kyrpa' is a genius IMO and helped me understand this, together with the user 'tutt'.
Basically, the tension applied externally leads to stress in the extra cellular matrix which consist of collagen fibers and with time, the extracellular stress level rises. I cannot explain it as well as he did, but in general you need this kind of breaks to avoid plateaus.
My current idea is 3 months workout, 2 months break and continue this way for as long as possible. So not extreme with 2 months workout and 3 months break.
The goal is that after the first cycle, I will gain equally good with the second and third and the gains do not decrease.
We will see where I am after 12 months.
Maybe what I'm doing is complete bullshit. But perhaps I help to open another door to a new unique way to make progress
All the best!

[duude]

Hey CBateman,
I like how you apply IR heat in your workout and I will try it out myself. Do you think a heat fan would do the same job as an IR lamp?

[CBateman]

Thanks duude! it is a pleasure hearing from you.
I might not answer immediately, but when I see the questions I will ALWAYS try to answer them from everybody
Therapeutic heat is an absolute game changer to increase the elongation while hanging or extending. The best option would be ultrasound. However, this can only be applied actively with the head of the machine and continuous movement. The second best is far infrared light which is able to penetrate the skin deeply. We don’t want to heat up the skin, this is useless. We want to penetrate the inside of the penis to help the collagen fibers stretch beyond their cold elastic stretch. Everything else is not proven, so your heat fan cannot be recommended by me. I imagine it might only heat up the skin which is useless. I use a 275w IR bulb becaue it creates decent warmth. Forget 100w, this is nothing for our goals.

The most important things to do for maximum gains are:
1) use thereapeutic heat. This is crucial and a game changer
2) measure BPFSL to see how much stretch you get after a workout. Not every workout ,but make sure to stay above 2.5% to gain. Better even, above 3,5% for great gains.
3) decon breaks and rest days. Two rest days a week. For decon breaks, work out for 3 months and do 2 months decon. After 1.5-2 years, do a bigger decon of 6 months. Then, you can repeat the old cycle. This is very rough and still in progress, but it should help to keep the gains coming and coming and coming. Maybe even beyond 2 inches of length. But I only want 2 inches, so I will never find out probably.
4) stress relaxation. But I don’t do this. “It has descriptions easily found ail over the net as well. Basically the phenomena means that you stretch the penis with certain load to given strain and leave it there on this fixed length, then after few minutes the applied stress relaxes and is seen as a decreased load on the scale which I have in my extender for example. More officially it is said like this: Stress relaxation is a decrease in stress under constant strain” This is only the forth most important point and I don’t do this here. The other 3 are fine and will be discussed in my thread ��

[CBateman]

Also, I want to give you guys a quick update:
I seem to have made some progress in terms of pre BPFSL.
Meaning, I hang with 0.5kg for 10 minutes and then take measurement of my BPFSL while in the LG hanger chamber still.
I pull on the chamber very slowly to elongate my penis. To standardize the force of pulling, I already ordered a American weight scale fish scale recommended by tutt in Kyrpa’s thread.
Then, I will be able to pull each BPFSL with the same force and create equal conditions.
However, with my suboptimal hand pulling without a scale to measure the force, my BPFSL development so far is:
01.01.21: 18.1cm
14.01.21: 18.5cm (could also be 18.4cm. My measurements are not particularly accurate).


it looks good so far and is in line with my suggested 1.25mm/week gains.
I will keep you updated. Not every week, maybe not even every 2 or 3 weeks, but I am constantly doing PE and WILL eventually write all my insights down :-)

[duude]

Hey CBateman, thank you for taking the time to answer my question!
1) So you are using 275W bulb, that is very interesting. Mine is 150W and unfortunately all the 275W I see are very expensive. I will see what I can find but in the meantime I will experiment a bit with a rice sock.
2) I am doing this at times, like you suggested. I should start recording it!
3) I understand the concept of breaks and rest days but I find it soo hard to take any. I will try and manage 1 off day per week for now.
4) Interesting. I used to do something very similar with manual exercises. I wonder if we can incrementally add weight while hanging, if it´s going to be effective.

[CBateman]

Hey CBateman, thank you for taking the time to answer my question!
1) So you are using 275W bulb, that is very interesting. Mine is 150W and unfortunately all the 275W I see are very expensive. I will see what I can find but in the meantime I will experiment a bit with a rice sock.
2) I am doing this at times, like you suggested. I should start recording it!
3) I understand the concept of breaks and rest days but I find it soo hard to take any. I will try and manage 1 off day per week for now.
4) Interesting. I used to do something very similar with manual exercises. I wonder if we can incrementally add weight while hanging, if it´s going to be effective.

1) Take a look at the "Philips IR 250R R125 E27 Infrared Heat Lamp 250 Watt". SHould be sufficient for 10€. 150w is nothing really.
2) Do it not every time. I do it once a week. Look at how I normalize the measurement:
I hang with 0.5kg for 10 minutes. THen I measure my BPFSL. THis is my "pre BPFSL" or my "BPFSL 0" because on a time scale, it is at the point zero.
Afterwars, I do my regular workout you can see in the first post. after the 60 mins workout, I leave my penis in the hanger and immediately measure my BPFSL again. This is the "post BPFSL". It should be at least >2,5% than pre BPFSL. If it is >3,5%, you are doing great and can be proud Sufficient and continuous heat will increase these numbers. Also, a good system like i use. see point 4 below.
3) Gains will stall after 70-80 days at the latest. Meaning, you will sabotage yourself. I also hate decon breaks, but I have to take them. Otherwise, you wont reach your goals in time (even though this sounds paradoxical).
4) If you look at my first post, I already do this kind of. I hang with 2gk for 20 mins, then 3kg for 30 with heat then 10 min cold to cool down.
It is perfect like this. The total time of 60min, the 20min cold, the 30min heated and the 20 min cold.
THe only thing that could be slightly different is the kg.
instead of 2kg it could be 1.5-3kg for you. The heated hanging could vary between 2.5-5kg.
You can find that out by doing a load strain curve for yourself.

You hang with 0.5kg cold without heat and measure your BPFSL afterwards.
then you hang with 1kg, 1.5,2,2.5 etc up to 4kg.

then you do a table:
kg strain %
0.5 0 (this is the zero point always)
1kg
1.5
2
.
.
.

it could look like this:

0.5 0%
1 0.6%
1.5 1.1%
2 1.6%
2.5 2.2%
3 2.2%
3.5 2.2%
4 2.2%

the sweet spot is 2.5kg because after that, the strain does not increase. Now you know you have to hang with 2.5kg in the first phase of 20 mins cold The funny and crazy thing is: you should theoretically NEVER change this weight, even in 2-3 years not!! Because with this method, the penis shouldnt toughen up. THis is the theory, we will see if it works.
The sweet spot could be theoretically between 2-4kg. If it is 4kg, you would have to go higher with the testing up to 6kg of course to make sure you really have the sweet spot. But it should realistically be between 2-3kg.

[duude]

Oh this is truly very interesting!! Thanks again CBateman.

Time to make a few changes in my hanging!

[CBateman]

Oh this is truly very interesting!! Thanks again CBateman.

Time to make a few changes in my hanging!

My pleasure. If you want to contribute sth, please send me your load strain curve if you find the time to do it. It is fine if you do it in 3 weeks or sth like that.
Because on thunders, we want to collect data and Kyrpa needs more data from different users to form an opinion that is statistically valid. Thus, it would fill my heart with pleasure to be able to gather another load strain curve from another engaged pe'ler

[CBateman]

In the past, I have twice created a load strain curve:
0.5kg 18.5cm
1kg 18.7cm
1.5kg 18,7-18,8 cm
2kg 18,8cm 1,6 % strain
2.5 18,8-18.9cm 2,12% strain
3kg 19,1cm
3.5kg 19.6cm
4kg 19.6-19.7cm

You start with 0.5kg as a baseline. Hang for 10 mins cold, without IR heat. THen, you measure your BPFSL while in the LG hanger still. You pull on the LG Hanger chamber to maximally enlarge your BPFLS measurement. Normally, the sweet spot should be 2-4kg. For me, I just assume it is 3.5kg because 4kg would be on the very edge of still plausible and way too much.

In conclusion, I will up my weights by 0.5kg.
New routine will be
length: 60 min total.
a. 20 mins without heat to delastify the penis @2.5kg (elastic limit)
b. hang 30 mins with IR heat @3.5kg. ( plastic zone)
c. In the end, 10 mins hanging cold to cooldown @3.5kg . (to counter the contraction of the tissue during cooldown)
I’m at the upper end of the probable weight range for loads.
Much higher will be incredibly counterproductive for 99,9% of people, so please keep this in mind if you are reading this post.
However, I don’t think my own load strain curve is that flawed, I dit it twice, that the assumption to use 2.5 and 3.5kg respectively is wrong.
I WONT ever increase the weights from now unless I have an extremely good scientific reason.
This is on of the key premises of this program: do NOT increase the weight if you have found your sweet spot.
We will see If it will slightly increase my gains.
In 14 days, Kyrpa gained 2.6mm of pre BPFSL.
My goal is to gain >2mm of BPFSL per 14 days.
Ideally would be >2.6mm. Everything around 3mm and above would be too crazy too believe for a slight hard gainer like myself.
ALl the best :-)

[CBateman]

I think you guys won’t believe my latest measurements.
Okay, I’m exaggerating a bit :-D.
I measured today and got 19cm BPFSL.
This is crazy.
01.01.21: BPFSL: 18
14.01.21: BPFSL: 18.5cm
30.01.21: BPFSL: 19cm.


This is way better than expected and now I finally cannot ignore or relativize the fact that this is working very well so far.
However, from what Tutt and Kyrpa said, I may stress my penis too much to hang twice daily. The only reason I did twice daily is that Dr Richard Howard recommended it and I trust this guy tremendously. But the current knowledge suggests a change . Although it is incredibly hard for me to change anything when the protocol works so
amazingly well for a hard gainer like myself, reason has to prevail. Thus, I will only hang once a day for the next 14 days.
If my gains are >3mm in these days, that means I measure 19.3mm or better even 19.4-19.5, I will from now on only hang once a day.
Which is way more practical for me with work, working out and private life anyway.
IF it was possible to receive similar results or even slightly worse with only once a day, this protocol would be incredibly easy and relaxing to follow for me.
If my results are ambiguous after 14 days, I will give it another 14 days once a day till the end of february.
Only if then the BPFSL is subpar, I will do twice/day again.