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I started PE in late October 2011 and did a very thorough manual routine as well as 10 hours per day of extending for 90 days straight. I then took a month off, and did another couple of months with a lighter manual routine and dropped down to 6-8 hours per day extending. I started getting serious with hanging in early April using a Bib Starter. My gains so far (8 months in with 1500 hours extending) are a little over 1.1" in length and 0.5" in girth. My goals are for another inch in length and another half inch in girth...
I'm currently hanging 20 lbs very comfortably, and often go up to 27.5 lbs for short bursts (5-10 minutes). I recently bought a Bib Hardcore hanger because of all of the good things I have heard about it and have been trying to get some time with it and get the settings dialed in just right. Here is a copy and paste from another thread that explains my first experience with the hardcore:
I started PE in late October 2011 and did a very thorough manual routine as well as 10 hours per day of extending for 90 days straight. I then took a month off, and did another couple of months with a lighter manual routine and dropped down to 6-8 hours per day extending. I started getting serious with hanging in early April using a Bib Starter. My gains so far (8 months in with 1500 hours extending) are a little over 1.1" in length and 0.5" in girth. My goals are for another inch in length and another half inch in girth...
I'm currently hanging 20 lbs very comfortably, and often go up to 27.5 lbs for short bursts (5-10 minutes). I recently bought a Bib Hardcore hanger because of all of the good things I have heard about it and have been trying to get some time with it and get the settings dialed in just right. Here is a copy and paste from another thread that explains my first experience with the hardcore:
My Hardcore arrived today - I wanted to post here to share my results.
As some may know, I'm a bib starter user and have been doing very well with my starter - comfortably hanging 20 lbs for long sessions, and I also do short durations (about 5 minutes or so) of 25-27.5 lbs (though not quite as comfortably). I wanted to upgrade to the hardcore after seeing so many rave reviews on it. Today I got to spend about 30 minutes with the hardcore (today is technically a day off for me, so this was mainly just to test for fit and get an idea how the attachment point feels at various weights compared to my starter.
Unfortunately for me, the early indications with the hardcore aren't nearly what I was hoping for. Yes, 30 minutes is too little time to say for sure and I'll surely be working at trying to find settings that work for me at least for a few weeks - but here is where I'm at so far with it:
Firstly, I wear my bib starter in a way that I haven't seen anyone else wear it - shaft high in the well, 1/4"-1/2" behind the glans, and thebottom closed more than the top. I've had a pretty easy time hanging pretty heavy weight this way in relative comfort. Only since working into the 25+ lb. range has comfort become an issue. Now with the hardcore, I tried to start fresh with no preconceived notions, and followed malehanger's excellent thread on how he attaches his hardcore. Unfortunately, it simply doesn't work for me. My erect girth is a very solid 5.3" - but I'm one of the most extreme "growers" that I've ever heard of, so my erect girth doesn't apply the same as many others. With my bottom settings at 6 threads as suggested, I get a lot of slippage at even 15 lbs - this is with the top wing nut tightened 100% and the top teeth completely meshed. Even though my erect girth is decent and well in the range of advertised girth for the hardcore, my flaccid girth simply isn't enough.
Not all hope is lost though - after experimenting quite a bit, I tried wearing the hardcore like I do my starter - with the shaft high in the well. For it to work for me, my bottom adjustment is 0 threads (thats right, zero threads - nuts all the way to the bottom).. I was able to hang 25 lbs. fairly well at 0 threads bottom, and the top wing nut run almost all the way in (it looked like about 1/8" extra room at the top, so I wasn't quite meshed at the top which is good). I would rate the comfort about the same as the starter in this test, but it at least gave me a bit of hope that with a little more experimentation I may be able to dial in settings that work for me.
I will note one things: Though I followed malehanger's thread pretty closely trying to get a fresh start, I still used the old style wrapping technique of spiraling a 1.5" x 18" strip of sweatshirt material as my wrap (this has always been my wrap for the starter, and I've never used an overwrap of any kind<such as theraband>). I do plan on trying again with malehanger's wrapping technique once I get the materials - but my hopes are still low as the thickness of the wrapping will be pretty close to identical, and my lack of flaccid girth is still going to be a hinderance regardless.
Another thing I didn't expect: Most people I've read about complained about their penis twisting off-center with the bib starter, and not having this problem with the hardcore. This is opposite for me - I never ever have alignment problems with the starter, but it took dozens of attempts with the hardcore to keep my penis aligned correctly in it. Some of this may be growing pains in learing to use a new piece of equipment and of course I will give it some good time to see if there is a learning curve to this hanger.
One last thing for me.. I hang for long sets, I swing the weights around between my legs and use a very nice amount of weight. I simply can't make my ligs sore. Only after starting to hit 27.5 lbs have I even got a little bit of soreness in the tunica. My BPFSL and BPEL are always exactly the same - and according to the TCG threory, my tunica is my limiting factor (if I remember right). Because of my unusual response to hanging, I have been working on my own technique to finally get some fatigue. After a bit more testing to see how I respond to it, hopefully I can add to the knowlege base here with another useful hanging technique.
Wish me luck in my experimentation with the hardcore!
As some may know, I'm a bib starter user and have been doing very well with my starter - comfortably hanging 20 lbs for long sessions, and I also do short durations (about 5 minutes or so) of 25-27.5 lbs (though not quite as comfortably). I wanted to upgrade to the hardcore after seeing so many rave reviews on it. Today I got to spend about 30 minutes with the hardcore (today is technically a day off for me, so this was mainly just to test for fit and get an idea how the attachment point feels at various weights compared to my starter.
Unfortunately for me, the early indications with the hardcore aren't nearly what I was hoping for. Yes, 30 minutes is too little time to say for sure and I'll surely be working at trying to find settings that work for me at least for a few weeks - but here is where I'm at so far with it:
Firstly, I wear my bib starter in a way that I haven't seen anyone else wear it - shaft high in the well, 1/4"-1/2" behind the glans, and thebottom closed more than the top. I've had a pretty easy time hanging pretty heavy weight this way in relative comfort. Only since working into the 25+ lb. range has comfort become an issue. Now with the hardcore, I tried to start fresh with no preconceived notions, and followed malehanger's excellent thread on how he attaches his hardcore. Unfortunately, it simply doesn't work for me. My erect girth is a very solid 5.3" - but I'm one of the most extreme "growers" that I've ever heard of, so my erect girth doesn't apply the same as many others. With my bottom settings at 6 threads as suggested, I get a lot of slippage at even 15 lbs - this is with the top wing nut tightened 100% and the top teeth completely meshed. Even though my erect girth is decent and well in the range of advertised girth for the hardcore, my flaccid girth simply isn't enough.
Not all hope is lost though - after experimenting quite a bit, I tried wearing the hardcore like I do my starter - with the shaft high in the well. For it to work for me, my bottom adjustment is 0 threads (thats right, zero threads - nuts all the way to the bottom).. I was able to hang 25 lbs. fairly well at 0 threads bottom, and the top wing nut run almost all the way in (it looked like about 1/8" extra room at the top, so I wasn't quite meshed at the top which is good). I would rate the comfort about the same as the starter in this test, but it at least gave me a bit of hope that with a little more experimentation I may be able to dial in settings that work for me.
I will note one things: Though I followed malehanger's thread pretty closely trying to get a fresh start, I still used the old style wrapping technique of spiraling a 1.5" x 18" strip of sweatshirt material as my wrap (this has always been my wrap for the starter, and I've never used an overwrap of any kind<such as theraband>). I do plan on trying again with malehanger's wrapping technique once I get the materials - but my hopes are still low as the thickness of the wrapping will be pretty close to identical, and my lack of flaccid girth is still going to be a hinderance regardless.
Another thing I didn't expect: Most people I've read about complained about their penis twisting off-center with the bib starter, and not having this problem with the hardcore. This is opposite for me - I never ever have alignment problems with the starter, but it took dozens of attempts with the hardcore to keep my penis aligned correctly in it. Some of this may be growing pains in learing to use a new piece of equipment and of course I will give it some good time to see if there is a learning curve to this hanger.
One last thing for me.. I hang for long sets, I swing the weights around between my legs and use a very nice amount of weight. I simply can't make my ligs sore. Only after starting to hit 27.5 lbs have I even got a little bit of soreness in the tunica. My BPFSL and BPEL are always exactly the same - and according to the TCG threory, my tunica is my limiting factor (if I remember right). Because of my unusual response to hanging, I have been working on my own technique to finally get some fatigue. After a bit more testing to see how I respond to it, hopefully I can add to the knowlege base here with another useful hanging technique.
Wish me luck in my experimentation with the hardcore!
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