Ziege's Journey

[Ziege]

I am about to get started on JP's 90 day beginner program.

Starting stats:

BPEL 5-7/8"
BPFSL 5-7/8"
EG 4-1/4"
FG 3-3/4"


Short Term Goals:

BPEL 6.5"
BPFSL 6.5"
EG 4-3/4"
FG 4-1/4"

Long Term Goals:

BPEL 8.5"
BPFSL 8.5"
EG 6"
FG 5"

Any experienced people wanna chime in and tell me if that is reasonable?

And that's all for now!

[Ziege]

Week 1


One week down. So far all is going well. I did the exercises as outlined in JP's guide. Five days on and 2 days of rest. I went light at first, increased the grip and pull in later sessions, never felt any pain or discomfort so that is good.

I originally intended to measure every 3 weeks, because I read other peoples' comments and many reported minimal to almost zero gains for the first two months. However, I was looking at my penis after session 4 and saw that it was visibly larger. Curious about that I measured and both my BPEL and EG were up more than 1/4". I was happy about that, but of course it was post-routine. So I wanted to see where I would be at after a week of sessions, and two days of rest. In other words, I wanted to see if I had made any lasting gains yet.

Here are the results:

BPEL 6.25"
BPFSL 6.25"
EG 4-1/4"
FG 3-3/4"

It appears that my length gains are "real" and my girth gains are temporary. It is both exciting and disappointing, because I like quick gains (who doesn't?) but I am very interested in girth. The most common advice I have seen handed out to people who ask about length vs girth is "go for length first" and "just do the beginner's routine and see what happens", so that's what I'm gonna do. We'll see where I am at in 12 more weeks.

I failed to take "before" pictures, dumbass that I am. I will take some before tomorrow's session.

Ziege

EDIT NOTE: When I did my baseline measurement I didn't have access to a ruler, all I had was a tape measure for taking hip and waist measurements. I solved the problem by using a wooden back-scratcher I had laying around, and marking it with a pencil, and measuring to the mark. Then the next day I went and got a ruler. Just yesterday I realized that the ruler has an extra 1/8" at the beginning, before the numbering starts. So my end-of-week-1 measurements were all 1/8" LONGER than I originally thought. I have adjusted this post to reflect that.

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Here is a sort-of "before" pic. It's a little shorter than reported but I tend to lose a little of my arousal quickly while trying to manipulate a camera left-handed. Still, it's longer than my actual starting length, so I'm happy so far.


START PE.jpg

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Week 2


If I had realized at the beginning how popular the word "Journey" was in the log section, I would have called mine something else!

Another week of 5-on, 2-off, and things are still going very well. No pain, only a very small amount of fatigue, really the only problem I notice is a small loss of erection quality. Now, my EQ has always been very high, to the point where I have gotten comments about it from every woman I have slept with (the best being the one who told her friends it was "diamond-hard"), so a small drop in quality is not a huge issue for me. Right now I am guessing it can be attributed either to sudden increase in the amount of attention it is getting (i.e. fatigue), or to the fact that I have had shit sleep and high stress for about two weeks now, and am hitting the wall. If I am correct, then it will get better as time goes on. If it doesn't improve in a couple weeks, then I will start to worry.

I measured again this week (see also my edit note in comment #2).

BPEL 6.375"
BPFSL 6.625"
EG 4.375"
FG 3.825"

I had modified to my technique so that I have been jelqing at a higher erection level with more "squeeze", and it did what I had hoped. It got me some girth gains. So +.125" in erect length and +.125" in erect girth. I am happy. I had no idea I would make gains like this, and while I realize they are "newbie" gains and won't last much longer, I sure am glad to be getting them right now.

One question for anyone reading: What, if anything, does the significantly higher gain in BPFSL mean? I was shocked to see it, so shocked I measured twice on two different days.

I have decided, after reading many other posts about length vs. girth gains, average penis size, what women seem to prefer, etc., that I will be modifying my goals.

My original Long Term Goals:

BPEL 8.5"
BPFSL 8.5"
EG 6"
FG 5"

My NEW Long Term Goals:

BPEL 7.5"
BPFSL 7.5"
EG 5.5"
FG 4.75"

This change is due both to my updated thoughts on what is possible given the amount of time and effort I am willing to commit to this, and the realization (or should I say confirmation of my long-held suspicion) that while my length falls roughly in the average range, my girth falls short of average, and while some women find a lot of length troublesome, few will complain about a nice, fat cock. I am actually reducing my girth goal to keep it realistic, but I am reducing it less than I am the length goal (8% vs 12%), to reflect the increased focus on girth.

My plan is to continue doing JP90 as I am now, until the 90 days are up (most likely) OR until I hit 7.25" (highly unlikely to happen in 90 days, I realize). At that time I will slowly shift the focus to a more girth-centric routine, all the while monitoring length and doing what is necessary to keep it above 7". This I will do until I hit my long-term girth numbers, at which time I will work to solidify that and maybe gain up to 7.5" length. Or not, maybe I will be satisfied at that point, we'll see. Who knows what the years will bring?

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Week 3


Week 3 in the bag, same routine as last week. Only thing to report is that the slight erection quality loss I mentioned last week has begun to improve. I can't claim I am sleeping any better, so I figure it must have been fatigue from PE.

My measurements:

BPEL 6.625"
BPFSL 6.75"
EG 4.375"
FG 4.00"


A 1/4" gain in erect length, most of which is probably due to the improvement in erection quality, which would also explain last week's big difference between erect length and flaccid length. Note that the gap has closed quite a bit this week. A small gain in flaccid girth, no gain in erect girth. I am keeping my fingers crossed, hoping to hit 7.5" BPEL by the end of the 90 days so I can switch right to a girth-centric routine.

My ex-fiance (who I am still sleeping with) told me yesterday that she was a little worried about herself. I hadn't told her what I was up to with this, and she had noted some unusual pain in certain positions, and also noted that she could "feel" me cumming, where before she couldn't, and it worried her a bit because she thought it might be a sign of something wrong with her. So I had to come clean and tell her about this. She is all excited now that she knows it's not her, but she thinks my goals will be too big for her, so we'll have to play that one by feel as I go along. Anyone else ever get that comment?


EDIT: I just now realized that I passed my short-term length goal this week. Yippee!

[Ziege]

Week 4

I feel the quality of my sessions was off this week, except for Friday. I was very busy and therefore I was rushing them a bit, and I have been having a very unusually high amount of sex lately. This in addition to my usual lack of good sleep is effecting my erection quality, which effects my jelqing. Anyway, that is my hypothesis.

My measurements:

BPEL 6.625" +0"
BPFSL 6.825" +1/8"
EG 4.5" +1/8"
FG 4.00" +0"

I suppose I can't complain that I still gain even in a "bad" week. I mean, my flaccid stretch is to a point which I could only daydream about before I started PE four weeks ago, and there are plenty who can't boast these results even after six months. But complain or not, my resolution is to make sure I have 5 good sessions next week. And to sleep more.

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Week 5

This was a much better week for PE. All five sessions were very good. I had a lot of sex this week as well, and I have to say I don't feel at all that it hurt my sessions. I know some people argue that it does, but I do feel that otherwise.

While measuring, I tend to have a harder time getting really good erections. There is something too clinical about it, it is not arousing. Today I took my measurements while I was aroused from an online "conversation" I was having, so I had a pretty good erection quality.

My measurements:
BPEL: 6.75" (+.125" from last week, +.875" overall)
BPFSL: 7.00" (+.125" from last week, +1.125" overall)
EG: 4.50" (+0" from last week, +.25" overall)
BPEL: 4.25" (+.25" from last week, +.5" overall)

Still gaining steadily in length, very happy about that. My pie-in-the-sky hope is that I can make it to 7.5" by the end of JP90, 8 more weeks out. Then I could begin switching to a girth-centric routine. Anyway, even if my length gains stopped today, I would be much happier with the size of my penis.

No real gains in girth, but I will worry about that once my length hits the 7.5" mark.

I won't be measuring next week, going to switch to every other week as the gains are likely to slow and I want to reduce the effect of the EQ variable.

[Ziege]

Week 6

I have noticed my gains slowing down, so I am going to switch to measuring every other week. I don't want to obsess over a 1/16" difference in length which could be a gain or could just be a slightly better erection...

After 5 weeks of this I have noticed that my penis is barely even feeling the training any longer. Erection quality is back up to a routine 9/10, and while I still get very few of the 10/10's from my teens and twenties, this is basically "back to normal" for me. While I know everyone tends to recommend just doing the JP90 as prescribed, I am going to apply some of my knowledge of physical training (I am a strength and conditioning coach) to this and say that it is time to up my training a little bit. So I have added 2 sets of 30 second stretches straight out, and 2 sets straight up. No kegels while doing these. I know this is a very small increase in stretching volume, and that is intentional. Better to err on the side of caution and have to increase, than to go too much too soon and risk fucking everything up. I will do this until I measure next, see how it is working, and adjust accordingly.

I have considered adding in some Lazy Ass Stretches as well. We'll see.

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Week 7

More than halfway through JP90.

My measurements:
BPEL: 6.75" (EQ 9/10)
BPFSL: 7.00"
EG: 4.50"
BPEL: 4.25"

No change from two weeks ago. I could tell I was no longer gaining, so I have doubled the stretching portion of JP90. While the skin on my penis feels a little raw where I grip it, otherwise I am feeling no pain and only a small amount of fatigue from this increase. I will keep this up for the next two weeks and if I am not gaining again at that time I will make my own hanging device and begin a very moderate hanging program.

It's a particularly rough spot to stop gaining, because I am 1/8" from a 1" total gain, and I WANT that last .125" so badly. But then, I guess that is motivation.

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Week 8

I got my copy of "Exercising the Penis" in the mail, and soon discovered that I had done JP90 wrong from the beginning. I had actually doubled down on the jelqing by thinking that right-hand-left-hand equaled one rep. So all this time I have been doubling up on the jelqs. Oh well, it seems to have worked.

This week I doubled down on the stretching as well. So twice as long on the holds and twice as many circles. Both my girl and I have observed some apparent improvements, so I'm hoping by next week I will hit my 6.825" mark, which will put me at 1 full inch of length gains.

Thinking ahead to what to do after JP90, I am still debating the Length Before Girth hypothesis, versus the Tissue Gains Clues hypothesis. I think I will still need more work to hit my 7.5" goal after JP90, so it's either hanging (LBG) or Kingpole's supra slammers routing (TGC). I will probably be geeking out on this subject for the next five weeks.