performance expectations

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

The use of Cialis, testosterone etc by healthy young guys is now commonplace .
This gives higher libido, decreased refrac time ,higher eq etc .
How has this changed your performance expectations?
Most women apparently don't seem to notice that a drug (or drugs) have been used, unless they are in a long term relationship, or do I have this wrong?

[TheHardFlaccidThatCould Banned Find all posts View Profile Close TheHardFlaccidThatCould]

I don't use drugs based on the fact that I want my body to be 100% self sufficient and not succumb to being reliant on outside variables, but it's nice knowing they're there. (For hard flaccid induced ED doctor offered me viagra/cialis and I turned it down).

What kind of testosterone are you talking about though? Test boosters, pro hormones, legitimate "gear" (steroids)?

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"Legitmate" steroids(gear)?

[TheHardFlaccidThatCould Banned Find all posts View Profile Close TheHardFlaccidThatCould]

Pro hormones are often called "fake" steroids, since they have to be metabolized by the body to become them in the body. "Legitimate" steroids are the kind that are definitely illegal, that generally come in liquid form in which you would use a needle (most often) to insert them into your body.

Prohormones = steroid precursors that are metabolized inside the body to become anabolic/androgenic steroids. Many are legal.
Steroids = androgenic/anabolic hormones that are injected into the body/taken in pill form and are more potent and are illegal.
Gear = steroids/steroid needle

[jazz zebra Member Find all posts View Profile Close jazz zebra]

Good question Pegasus, I obviously don't have the answer your looking for but I will say about the steroid thing: I know heaps of dudes use roids these days, and it seems that almost every other guy out there is jacked, and as a naturally skinny dude it can be weired sometims seeing so many jacked guys around. The steroids have made it easier for guys to get jacked and now most people expect you to be jacked like them or you are 'not worthy' coz your just a skinny guy or a fat guy... (did that even make sence? lol)

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Good question Pegasus, I obviously don't have the answer your looking for but I will say about the steroid thing: I know heaps of dudes use roids these days, and it seems that almost every other guy out there is jacked, and as a naturally skinny dude it can be weired sometims seeing so many jacked guys around. The steroids have made it easier for guys to get jacked and now most people expect you to be jacked like them or you are 'not worthy' coz your just a skinny guy or a fat guy... (did that even make sence? lol)

Yes.

[akaTrex Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close akaTrex]

I Laugh when I encounter the Jacked, Juiced, etc boys.

Growing up in the Meca of the Chemically enhanced. (Venice, CA)
Personally witnessed so many of the after effects of the above!

Shells of their former selves. What a F@#$ing waste of time and money for a short lived...What Ever!

[popol5169 Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close popol5169]

I think it is the other way round, how they (men and women) perceive how a man should perform nowadays led to the use of cialis and other stuff.
Doctors also give it away very easily and it has become very common as you said. Easy to use , easy to get, pretty cheap to feel like a beast and get/give sexual pleasure from it.
As for women noticing I guess most who uses it don't say anything.
I hope when people are in a relationship they don't use them (unless medically needed)..

[Qandisa Senior Member Member of the Month March 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Qandisa]

If any of the guys I've been with have used such things I've certainly never been aware of it. And the only really muscular guy I've been with is my FWB and he seems to be fairly amused by the gym rats that use steroids so I doubt he uses them. He's also kind of a proud of doing things himself kind of guy so I really can't see him using anything artificial to boost his workouts.

[Eazygeezer Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Eazygeezer]

Foolishly tried them myself when I was younger, they fuck your normal hormones up for a long time depending on how long you're on, what you use, the dosages and following a correct pct.
what I can say for sure that it's effects on libido are supersonic, like being 16 again only better, it only makes coming off even more shit though. I would not recommend doing them to anyone!!

[closed224 Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2014, Feb 2017 Find all posts View Profile Close closed224]

Are we talking about the same things when discussing steroids, Cialis, Viagra, etc? I am confused if so. I think the vasodialators are not steroidal and would have nothing to do with getting jacked. The steroids often cause the get jacked, but even take away the ability of your penis to function, let alone work better. These are not retorihical questions, I really have confusion on these topics.

[Eazygeezer Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Eazygeezer]

Can't comment on anyone else, but when I took them I had zero issues, in fact I don't think I had ever been as hard for as long or as often. Tried cialis, which increases blood flow, and hardness of erections, didn't increase muscle mass or volume.
Steroids only get you jacked if you're diet is perfect and you train your arse off! I know some guys who take cialis before workouts to increase blood flow for extra hard workouts!

Problem is the negative side effects are equally as crap, there's no pro without a con I'm afraid

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Firstly gyms are full of jacked guys with crap diet and half assed training, so they don't need perfect diet etc.

Many roids boost libido ,so they are part of the the sexual performance story along with Cialis etc . Then you get guys useing testosterone as a hrt . Now I had a guy trying to sell me this and he promised to boost my test level to the top end of the normal range for a 20year old.
There is also the build side and there is no doubt this creates unreasonable expectation.

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If any of the guys I've been with have used such things I've certainly never been aware of it. And the only really muscular guy I've been with is my FWB and he seems to be fairly amused by the gym rats that use steroids so I doubt he uses them. He's also kind of a proud of doing things himself kind of guy so I really can't see him using anything artificial to boost his workouts.

Thank you for your reply.
Actually ,given the large number of partners ,you most certainly have had partners who used either a cialis type drug and /or roids. Which is part of the issue, you think of their performance/build etc as normal . I should think most women are in the same boat as you and would be unaware.

[Qandisa Senior Member Member of the Month March 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Qandisa]

Thank you for your reply.
Actually ,given the large number of partners ,you most certainly have had partners who used either a cialis type drug and /or roids. Which is part of the issue, you think of their performance/build etc as normal . I should think most women are in the same boat as you and would be unaware.

I'm still thinking that most of the guys I've been with haven't used either anything like Cialis or 'roids, for a few reasons:
1) Typically the guys I'm attracted to are the kind of guys that have never set foot in a gym. Tall, slender, lanky, geeky types. Punk/emo types. Guys that sometimes confess that they feel a little self-conscious because they think that they're too thin. I can't see guys like that being the type to use steroids.
2) I actually had a fairly lengthy period of monogamy for several years, so my really actual "social" years were like 20 years ago and then again in the last few years which gives me an excellent base for a "then and now" comparison. I'm actually finding that guys these days don't tend to be lasting nearly as long as they were before. In my younger days it was fairly standard for sessions to be several hours long and include multiple rounds. These days guys seem spent after one round and the rounds don't seem to be lasting as long as they did either. Maybe that's just a function of the premium that society places on "faster is better" "I want everything NOW" these days in many aspects, not specifically sex just that it might subconsciously carry over to sex. Maybe it's more the "get in, get off, get out" approach and they just don't think about the possibility of going for multiple rounds. Many of them have been surprised that I've been wanting to go for a 2nd round (personally 4 or 5 would be great for me) and many have been surprised that I've actually been able to get them going again for a 2nd round. That includes one 24 year old who was stunned because normally "one shot and that's it" for him (and those are his words). From my experience with younger guys lately that's fairly typical.
3) building on point #2, if these young guys are needing something like Cialis to make it through a one-round session of sex that, foreplay included, typically lasts anywhere from 20-40 min then our society is in terrible, terrible shape.