Involuntary kegels and premature ejaculation are on our DNA

[MasterSchlort Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MasterSchlort]

First of, I'm making this thread to seek some enlightment on involuntary kegels and to share my theory on them. I think they are a natural bodies response to sexual stimulation in order to get the erect penis as hard as possible for penetration and to avoid breaking it or hurting it in case it gets sloppy.

In my personal experience, when my penis is rock hard and pointing to the sky. It does some automatic up-down movements (IK). I think its a way to keep the erection but I'm not sure.

When I grab it or as I enter a fleshlight it also does an IK and for each strokes/thrusts it does an IK.

Obviously, all this make me aroused very quickly and I have to stop and breath/KG and RK within seconds or few minutes, depending on arousal, to regain control.

Nonetheless, this doesnt stress me at all since I know that it is encoded into our DNA to be able to ejaculate quickly since the real objective of sex is reproduction and it is only recent in our evolutionary history that sex became an activity of pleasure. So that theres no misunderstanding recent isnt just a few decades.

Moreover, I think that its something that shouldnt be too hard to fix. I think my porn consumption did exacerbate my "pre-E". Although I dont like that term and its not consistent, sometimes I can last for a long time. In my opinion, porn creates a fast ejaculation habit because we have the variety of choice and it overstimulates. It is normal to ejaculate fast when you have sex with a woman for the first time because of the excitment build up and the experience of someone new. The problem with porn is that you always have someone new in a new scenario, etc. So I ditched porn although I relapse sometimes and hate myself for it.

Questions for you guys, do you have IK when you are 9 or 10/10 hard? Is your penis rocking up and down lol. And do you have IK when you thurst?

[ACPreE Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ACPreE]

For your question I tend to get IKs when i'm moving up from 7+ or when a sudden stimuli hits for example, Masturbating normal thumb and index away, if i turn it around and thumb and index towards me, its newer and i would have hard IKs. Now I can switch and not get crazy IKs. Its all apart of the retraining I guess.

[MasterSchlort Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MasterSchlort]

Is it even possible to not have IK with 8+ erections and during penetration?

[ACPreE Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ACPreE]

I'm sure with control. Just like my example of masturbating differently. Before it would trigger IKs, i mean like a hard IK like the first big pulse when ejaculating but now when i switch to that hand angle, its totally fine.

[DickerSchwanz Senior Member Member of the Month Sept 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close DickerSchwanz]

The bopping up feels to me more like a blood rush. A positive thing.
IK in itself isn't a problem, you are right. It's a "problem" when it get's too much.

It's true that it is in our DNA to be ejaculation focused.
But you could also make an argument that it's also in our DNA to waste an ejaculation for every woman that comes along.

[ACPreE Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ACPreE]

It is probably a built in response in the same domain as PONR reflex but its something we can retrain. When we are born we are hard wired to suckle, as we get older that goes away.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

No, no and no to the op's post 1 questions.
regardless of "dna" this is trainable.

[MasterSchlort Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MasterSchlort]

What I meant is that no matter how much more developped we are now in comparison to when we were apes, we still inhirited of thousands of years of evolutionary processes.

I dont know if you have ever seen cats or dogs during their mating. I have and it only takes few seconds haha. When the male is done, the female cat starts "screaming" to get him off her. Very funny to watch haha.

We are still animals, so its normal if we ejaculate quickly it shouldnt be seen as something to frown upon or to ridicule lol... Imo, dudes should just relax and stop constantly worrying about performing as if their life is on the line. Its such a toxic mentality for me and I dont think anything good comes out of it except making the pre-E worse or causing erectile dysfunctions.

Going back you what you said @DickerSchwanz, yes I agree. Our animalistic nature is constantly in conflict with morals or socially forbidden stuffs. So we cant waste ejaculation on every woman we see and woman cannot have a large amount of sexual partners without getting negatively judged by a majority of people. So monogamous relationships became an imperative for a society to function correctly, because promiscuity causes much more problems and can make a society stagnate to only a "survival mode" so theres no place for development. By the way monogamy wasnt made up by religion it was much anterior to the apparition of monotheisms. We are programmed to raise our own offspring not someone elses.

Lastly, I do think man should train to fight pre-e for self development and to share pleasure. I just think its not something to be ashamed of, even though its widely viewed now as pathetic, sigh... Pre-e before PIV is a real issue tho.

[MasterSchlort Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MasterSchlort]

Lol pegasus you wrote that comment as I was writing mine. Of course its trainable. I never said it wasnt. If its trainable to ejaculate within 5 secs, the same applies for going longer that 30+ mins