Edging with flashlight, how to get level up?

[ffuu Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ffuu]

Do you have any idea, what should I do to cure this?

My routine:
-Tennis ball massage in car ~1h per day
-Apt stretching exercises
-Hindi squats
-Trying to loose my pelvic floor and leave it in neutral position always when I think about it.

My tester of progress is flashlight, I haven't been with girl yet but I know that I have problem.

So, I've got some success with my PreE. First times with FL I came in few seconds because of tight PF, with a lot of involuntary kegels. Now I can leave it in neutral position in most time through the day and even when I fuck FL. I discovered some positions and I can last almost as long as I want with PF in neutral position. I think it is a kind of progress.

Ok, let's talk about my problem.

I am not aroused before starting my session with FL. Just putting some lube on my dick, few strokes with hand and erection goes up to ~60%. Than I am putting it inside FL, few strokes and it is hard and ready to fuck. Everything without porn, photos, phone, imagination. Nothing, only me and flashlight and I can fuck it.

The problem starts when I add something what turns me on. Yesterday and today when I fucked FL I tried to watch some videos on yt with yoga stretching exercises with hot chicks and I wasn't able to make even one thrust. Why? I tried to leave my PF neutral but every thrust I had hard IK's like the first time I used FL.

I am not watching porn about 5 weeks, but now I'm not sure if it is good idea.

If I was able to learn how to fuck FL as long as I want without porn etc. and it took me about 2 weeks, so maybe I can retrain my body to be able for fucking FL with hot stuff? What do you think?
I want to prepare as good as possible for my future sex life if it will ever happen.

[ACPreE Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ACPreE]

While watching things visually you are over arousing yourself. No I dont mean the hot yoga chick was too much but what are your body Qs? Try and see what's going on next time. Did you hold your breath? Is your pf tightening? Are you letting your arousal run wild?.

You need to be in control of your mind as well. I'm trying to do the same. Be mindful of my pf and breathing while trying to stay focused on her.

Test your body and see when and how your body is reacting and go from there.

[Toky Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Toky]

That is what is happening to me too. But how to have arousal in control I mean be horny as fck and hard as fck but not feeling urge to ejaculate?

[Bobsadcock Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Bobsadcock]

Do you have any idea, what should I do to cure this?

My routine:
-Tennis ball massage in car ~1h per day
-Apt stretching exercises
-Hindi squats
-Trying to loose my pelvic floor and leave it in neutral position always when I think about it.

My tester of progress is flashlight, I haven't been with girl yet but I know that I have problem.

So, I've got some success with my PreE. First times with FL I came in few seconds because of tight PF, with a lot of involuntary kegels. Now I can leave it in neutral position in most time through the day and even when I fuck FL. I discovered some positions and I can last almost as long as I want with PF in neutral position. I think it is a kind of progress.

Ok, let's talk about my problem.

I am not aroused before starting my session with FL. Just putting some lube on my dick, few strokes with hand and erection goes up to ~60%. Than I am putting it inside FL, few strokes and it is hard and ready to fuck. Everything without porn, photos, phone, imagination. Nothing, only me and flashlight and I can fuck it.

The problem starts when I add something what turns me on. Yesterday and today when I fucked FL I tried to watch some videos on yt with yoga stretching exercises with hot chicks and I wasn't able to make even one thrust. Why? I tried to leave my PF neutral but every thrust I had hard IK's like the first time I used FL.

I am not watching porn about 5 weeks, but now I'm not sure if it is good idea.

If I was able to learn how to fuck FL as long as I want without porn etc. and it took me about 2 weeks, so maybe I can retrain my body to be able for fucking FL with hot stuff? What do you think?
I want to prepare as good as possible for my future sex life if it will ever happen.

Try leveling up more progressively.

Try:

Looking at photos
Watching the videos with no sound.
Listen to sound with no video.
Close your eyes to remove visual stimulation when you feel your arousal spiking, open them again when you feel you're in control.
No stimuli, but thrust super fast and hard in your FL.

[ffuu Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ffuu]

Thank you for your responses. I decided to do my own plan for beating this issue, it will be different than other members, I think that nobody tried to get into this problem in that way but I want to try. Unfortunately it will include the worst thing on the planet which is porn but who knows if it is not the key?

Let me explain myself:
I am from Poland, so forgive me my English. I am still virgin at 24. I know it sounds unbelievable but yes it is true. I am specific person. I choose a (bad?) path in my life so there wasn't much chances to date with girls. Can't turn back time. You know what is funny in this stupid situation? I am not shy- just a little, little bit, I am not looking bad- rather athletic shape, I have a good dick size and the only problem is in my character...
I have never been drunk, I fucking hate alcohol and all kinds of parties, discos, clubs, pubs etc. Here in Poland it is unbelievable if you are not drunk till vomit comes at the Friday night.

No alcohol= no parties= No friends= no chance to find gf.

I' ve got a lot of usable male skills that impress older women, but who cares if you are not drinking. Fuck this stupid country and stupid always drunk people, maybe one day I will meet normal girl, which would like to live in normal way, not a"party chick".

Ok, let's talk about dick.
Before I started interesting about PE, PreE, kegels etc. I was masturbating almost every day of course with porn and all bad habits. No lube, jerking only with foreskin movement( I'm uncut), kegeling to finish quickly, etc. I remember that I had the time in my life where porn didn't turned me on. Even the hottest ones. I was able to watch it as normal film, like comedy. Of course, I had erection because of hand movement and I was kegeling too so it weren't long sessions- max 20 minutes. I started PE one year ago, stopped watching porn every day, just 2,3 times per week. Cumshot once per week. Almost no gains in 10 months (3mm in length?) and I stopped. Than I started interesting in PreE, stopped watching porn, bought flashlight. First times with FL were difficult, few thrusts and cum. Always tight PF, New senses on glans and it all caused IK's and bum!--> I have PreE. In about 2 weeks I did some good progress, learned a lot about my body: loosening PF, better breathing and I can fuck it longer.

Now I'm going to add some kind of drama, but progressively!
I think that after 6 weeks of NoPorn my mind has " cleared the cookies" because I've never had erection in my whole life while watching girls doing yoga.
My long term goal is to be able to fuck FL as long as I want while watching the hottest porn stuff including hottest short teen chicks with wide hips, bubble butts, small tits and not 100% shaved pussies- just trimmed. If I will achieve it, I will be almost sure that in real sex life I will not fault.

Of, course meanwhile my "journey" I will be trying to fuck real stuff but as I wrote above it is so fucking hard in my situation, but I'm trying to not lose hope.

Rules of my program:

-Exercises like above, tennis ball, apt stretching, etc.

-Flashlight fucking only ( FL between 2 pillows tied with towel- imitiation of girls body)

-Time- 20min. - if achieved-no cumshot after. Cumshot only when I fail.

-2 positions only, don't know which one should I try to mastered? This is question for more experienced guys... What will be more pleasurable for girl?
Missionary or fucking from the side?
Missionary is harder for me, side fucking is better. Which one should I try to upgrade?

-3 Levels of speed: slow, medium, fast
- 6 stages

Stage 1: no visual effects, no imagination

Missionary:
Slow- successfull
Medium- few pauses but 20 minutes reached
Fast- failed- few strokes and creampie

Side fucking:
Slow- successfull
Medium- successfull
Fast- few pauses because of urge to cum but almost in control.

Stage 2: hot yoga chicks on YT

Missionary:
Slow- failed- few thrusts
Medium- not tested yet
Fast- not tested yet

Side fucking:
Slow- little better than missionary but hard
Medium- not tested yet
Fast- not tested yet

My idea for other levels:
Stage 3: YT videos with girls trying on thongs and swimsuits,
Stage 4: light porn- solo girls ( not sexy girls- In my opinion)
Stage 5: normal porn- male+female ( not sexy girls, average dicks)
Stage 6: whole hot stuff including hot girls.- short teens with wide hips bubble butts, small tits and trimmed pussies.

Level 8: real try?

What you guys thinking?

[ACPreE Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ACPreE]

More Power to you man! If it works for you do it. My only suggestion is to make a spreadsheet and keep track of your daily routine/progress.
I have a spreadsheet from google drive that has kept track of everything iv done since February 18th when I started keeping track.

Good luck!

[Bobsadcock Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Bobsadcock]

I edge using porn too. If I don't use porn, I find it harder to get to higher levels of arousal and I want to practice plateau at higher levels.

Another big reason is, it's so much more fun to use porn!

[ffuu Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ffuu]

Hello guys! What an incredible session with FL I had today!! 1h 20min of fucking!!! After 5 days without cumming and edging. I think that I started to understand my body, and I need more arousal, dick was hard enough for fucking but It wasn't 10/10. Rather 7-8.

I was thinking that it will take a lot of weeks to being even able for edging with FL and visual stimulation, but look at that:

Level 2: yoga chicks 20 mins

Side position:

Slow- successfull
Medium- successfull
Fast- successfull- I haven't been even close to PONR.

This is my favourite one.
In this position I have 100% loosen PF and all the movement goes from hips and legs. I can go really fast and deep.


Missionary:

Slow- successfull
Medium- successfull
Fast- ok, but I need to be careful. If I go too fast and too deep I am starting to doing kegels. I think it is problem in hips flexibility and I am starting to doing hyperlordosis which causing tension in PF.

After 20 minutes, I switched to level 3.


Level 3: girls trying on thongs and bikinis on YT.

Successfull!

The same as above in level 2, I had the same level of arousal so I was switching positions and tried to go slow, medium and fast for about 25 mins. Every think was undercontrol, no PONR's, but after about hour I started to feel my bladder, and urge to pee which causes strange urge for cum too. I decided to go to toilet, erection went down and I came back to FL.
~ 5 mins yet in missionary with girls in thongs, and I switched to "Brazilian waxing" - pussy waxing on YT. I was looking at naked pussies after 1h of FL fucking and I still had the same level of erection ~8/10. It didn't exited me more- strange?.
I switched to side fucking and I was pounding it at medium speed for about 5 mins.
After that I switched to missionary for a while and started to feel urge for cum but it wasn't the same feeling as I remember from past. First time I had no IK's (sensitive glans effect) but I felt that I have to cum. I finished with hand and it was so strange. I had cumshot without kegeling! First time in my life! Unfortunately I felt only very light orgasm maybe because of no kegeling while cumming?

Tomorrow I'm gonna try something more difficult. I need go up with arousal and dick hardness because it is starting to being too easy now.

My suggestions:
I am still not sure because of my low experience but I think that the key for IK's which may cause PreE in my opinion is completely loosen PF. No kegels, no reverse kegels while pounding--> loosen PF only.
I have a little APT too and still working on it, I know it causing too much tension in PF and If I forget about it for a while I am automatically starting kegeling while walking, sitting etc.