"From PE to MMO"- Minuteman's Orgasmic log

[Minuteman]

DISCLAIMER: This topic documents my progress from a person with severe premature ejaculation to a male multi orgasmic (MMO) chronologically. In that light many of those first posts here display my way of finding the right way to battle premature ejaculation problem and also my reasoning, and in a way the evolution of my understanding of it all. So many discoveries made here, while useful and educational can be obsolete. If you are reading this for motivational value then you should read it from the first post onwards, if however you are looking for some specific new solutions checking out this topic form the last post backwards, or consulting some of the guides I made (listed in the premE FAQ, the link in my signature) might be a better idea. In order to preserve the originality I tend not to edit/update the posts I made here.

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Seeing that I had great results in healing my premature ejaculation problems thanks to this forum, and that this is the topic where i have posted most of my thoughts, ideas and descriptions i have decided to rename this topic in order to bring more attention to it, because i think that these posts will help the reader with premature ejaculation in motivation and as a definitive proof that PREMATURE EJACULATION CAN BE CURED NATURALLY (i know it sounds as a lame commercial, but i'm not selling anything )

The way that i healed my premature ejaculation is just one of many ways. This way is to put it bluntly healing a premature ejaculation with start/stop technique and dry orgasm later on. It might sound weird because i'm not actually healing the problem but jumping over it with DO, but it doesn't work that way. The way i see the PE problem:

Premature ejaculation had always had two sides of the problem, one side was the psychological and it is based on fear, frustration, anxiety and other was physical and it is based on habit and reflex.

These two sides are always present, but it is a question in which quantity is the psychological present and in witch quantity is the physical problem present. I for example had more of a physical problem that in return dragged the psychological part with it.

In this light, healing the psychological side will heal to some point the physical side of the problem, and vice versa.

Now looking at the problem from the psychological stand point, relaxation, immersion, whole body sensation and confidence are the cure.

On the physical side, kegels, reverse kegels, kegel holds and similar help discipline the muscles and retrain them out of the bad habits and reflexes.

At the same time the exposure to edgeing and kegeling gets you used to the sensation and tells your brain that ejaculation is not what you want at that point but more pleasure.

It is common mistake that calmness and "thinking about grandma and grandpa" is a psychological solution, when immersion and passion are a way to go.

In the light of the quote Dry Orgasm will help you immensely in both sides of the problem, because it will boost your confidence and it will help you in retraining your reflex. Don't believe me? Try it and see And well, one you have dry orgasmed once it the road to MMO is open

I urge to use this topic as a motivation and as a good source of good tips how to overcome the problem. It is important that you read the topic in whole so that you can get the whole picture. DO NOT EXPECT THIS TOPIC TO MAGICALLY HEAL YOU PREMATURE PROBLEMS, BECAUSE IT WONT, BUT IT WILL HELP YOU. ALSO YOU WILL NOT MAGICALLY BECOME A MMO BY READING THIS TOPIC BUT BECOME MUCH MORE AWARE AND INFORMED.

Thanks to the support of the people that have posted (and will post ) in this thread. And very special "thank you" to the Pegasus who has been patient enough to help me correct my mistakes and answering many, sometimes pointless PMs. If he haven't been there to guide me i would not be able to progress this fast, and by many my progress have been a very fast one.

So basically not only have i healed my premature ejaculation i became an MMO (male-multi-orgasmic) and even got some gains in EQ (in other words, my dick became bigger for 2-3 cms, and that wasn't even a primary goal).

And now for a little beginning motivation for you premature ejaculationists

What you may not be aware is that having a premature ejaculation can help much in becoming a MMO, especially because we come to the PONR so much faster so that we actually have a good deal of head start, but we aren't aware of it until some point. In other words people with primature ejaculation (at least that is what i firmly believe ) can became MMO much faster than the rest, mostly because in most forms of premature ejaculation the pelvic floor muscles are more or less in a pretty good shape so you will have almost no problem with kegels (reverse kegels on the other hand will prove to be harder but are not needed much for the beginning stages MMO).

This topic is mostly for the people with ejaculation problem but might help gain more insight in anybody interested in MMO, also feel free to join the MMO group.

The rest of this post is the original first post that I posted when i came here desperate for some help and what came later

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Hello, I'm 25 year old and have a premature ejaculation. Since I'm still a virgin I haven't been bothering with this issue of mine, since I had no girl. But things have changed and now I have one and I really really want to make her happy (in bed).

For that purpose I read many articles and learned about the pc muscle. However, i noticed that i can feel two muscles down there, and learned a little bit of PC, BC and IC muscles. I also lurked here and gain knowledge of reverse kegels. So I have a few questions about it all and i would be very grateful if someone would answer my questions.

On with the questions.

1. What muscles actually help to heal pe? The pc, or mc ones?
2. When I clench my anus is that a pc muscle?
3. I can also clench some muscle just behind my testacles/balls, while the muscle around the anus moves very little, is that a mc muscle?
4. When I sit on the flat surface, spread my buttocks and try to lift my self up (trying to fart, or do the number 2) is that a reverse kegel?
5. When i was at the PONR i tried to clench my muscles and ejaculate and nothing came out, but mu pennis got limp like i ejaculated. Am i doing it wrong, where is my mistake?
6. When i'm at PONR what muscles should a clench or not to prevent ejaculating, or pe?
7. Isn't ballooning and start-and-stop bad for your prostate, since it leaves some fluid in your prostate?
8. I feel like the muscles just behing my testacles are cramped and hurt a lillte, did i overworked them? How can i relax them?



Well that is about it for now. I have deiced to stop any practice until I know exactly what I'm doing, in order to prevent any complications. I am certain that i'm not the first one to ask those questions, and i'm sorry if i'm asking the questions that are answered a thousand times, but i have searched and was unable to find answers to my questions, so please bear withe me. I hope I have posted in the right section.

[Minuteman]

A little update and a bump.

Today i was playing around and when i came to a PONR i stoped but, did the reverse kegles (i hope they are the one, the motion that you use to force your urine out), and I ejaculated. The funny thing is that i didn't have the "i came" sensation, it was just ejaculation, my penis remained hard. Then repeated the PONR then reverse kegels and the same thing happend. I did this several times (around 5 times or so) and then i finally ejaculated as i normally do (but now a lot less semen had come out....). I fell kinda sleepy and refreshed.

So what the heck was that? Should i do it or not?

[blink2000]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think these "PC, BC and IC muscles" are generically referred to as pelvic floor muscles.

Minuteman: 1. What muscles actually help to heal pe? The pc, or mc ones?
I don't know which help or whether it's critical to worry about that, I believe that stamina work in general (kegels, etc) will improve all your pelvic floor muscles .

Minuteman: 7. Isn't ballooning and start-and-stop bad for your prostate, since it leaves some fluid in your prostate?
All of your questions seem interesting.

I don't know the answers to most of them, including the one above. I have nothing more I can say. Consider this a bump

[Pegasus]

Oh gee I don't know how I got into answering pe questions, since I had delayed ejaculation.

Question 1. All in effect, since increased control is what you need ,increased understanding and control of pelvic floor muscle is good.

You should do stop /start edging to begin with and then move up to kegel edging ,which at first should not be aimed at dry ejaculation.
Worry less about which muscle is which at this point.
If you ejaculate regularly edging is not bad for you.
Take a break so you can fully recover then do a kegel routine containing 50% reverse kegels and stop/start edging.

[Minuteman]

Tnx blink and pegasus for the input and support.

More or less i found the answer to the number 5.

What happened to me was a retrograde ejaculation (i think). Since I went limp that means that i had and ejaculation (and probably orgasm), but instead of getting out it went into my bladder (there is an article on wiki).

I think that more or less (at least in theory ) i understand why do you need strong kegel, and why is a good reverse kegel also good.

When one cums his pelvic floor muscles enter a spasm (i don't know is it the pc or bc muscles i'm talking about so i'm gonna use what blink said). Now when you have those muscle trained, at the point of first (or second) spasm you clench the muscle in order not to allow it to pump, the other one (reverse kegel) is there to:
1. relax the muscle a little bit before the first spasm (or whatever you may call it, ejaculatory reflex...) in order to postpone and retrain you reflex.
2. to relax the muscle after you clench it hard after the first spasm (in order to prevent damaging it and stuff).

I probably am wrong in some points but roughly this is how i understand it. I'm open for any corrections.

EDIT:

Oh gee I don't know how I got into answering pe questions, since I had delayed ejaculation.

Question 1. All in effect, since increased control is what you need ,increased understanding and control of pelvic floor muscle is good.

You should do stop /start edging to begin with and then move up to kegel edging ,which at first should not be aimed at dry ejaculation.
Worry less about which muscle is which at this point.
If you ejaculate regularly edging is not bad for you.
Take a break so you can fully recover then do a kegel routine containing 50% reverse kegels and stop/start edging.

About a kegel routine. I think i should discard the fast kegel (where you clech and relax that muscle fast) and instead focus on doing them slowly (like, clench-hold-declench, and not clench-declench or better yet clench-hold-declench-reversekegel-hold-release). Of course i will not overwork my self.

[Pegasus]

Umm mm I can see you have done a great deal of research in a short time. Unfortunately you seem to have some things a little confused. You are trying to run before you can crawl.
I return you to my suggestion to start with stop /start edging.

[Minuteman]

Umm mm I can see you have done a great deal of research in a short time. Unfortunately you seem to have some things a little confused. You are trying to run before you can crawl.
I return you to my suggestion to start with stop /start edging.

I had did some edging before i even knew what that is (i kinda figured that if i get to know the moment better i will be better) as noted here:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-enlargement-forum/17097-edging.html

But i will take it slow non the less. Thanks for your concern.

[Minuteman]

Bump

A positive one. I wanted to post this 2 days ago but, I was kinda scared i would jinx it. The good news is that managed to edge myself for around 20 mins without coming to PONR even once. The way i did it was very simple. I would stop my self for 5sec or so on the first notion that my pelvic floor muscles are unconsciously contract, then i would do one short reverse kegel, and then one short regular kegel (to make my unit even more filled with blood) and continue.

In conclusion REVERSE KEGELS HELPED ALLOT FOR HEALING PREMATURE EJACULATION. I did this today also and I was even better, the times between my unconscious flexing was more and more apart, MY HANDS STARTED TO HURT FROM ALL THE EDGING. To test this throughly i assumed various possitions (body and hand ones), and edging speed. I noticed what where my biggest faults before, and mostly it was because i was sitting down in a way that my pelvic floor muscles where always under pressure, and not having relaxed stomach muscles.

To even more test this, i wasn't thinking about some irelevant stuff. I tried concentrating on my penis, i tried having fantasies, i even watched a porn that in my mind is one of the hottest ever, the one that in past i couldn't last longer than well... one minute of continous edging.

I also noticed that making your stomach muscles hard brings myself faster to the PONR.

One thing that also helped me allot was the visualilation of my energy and moving it thorough my body (also dispersing that ball of emotions all over your body, not just moving the ball). I really tried to enjoy the sensations and concentrate on them, to really feel them, not to hate them or be frustrated by them. Once you learn that, it kinda comes naturally. Also it dosn't matter much how you breath, as long as you are not constraining your self, if you feel the need to take a deep breath do it, but if you are not concentrated you don't notice the need, and that creates a little stress and aids your ejaculation.

One note is that one thing is edging and other thing is actually having sex, and i'm far from that (being virgin and all....).

I only hope this is not something temporary. And i hope that this helps someone else with the same problem.

I also noticed that my erections were getting harder and that my penis was kinda getting fatter (and allot more veins).

For now i will focus on edgeing, balloning and other stamina stuff, and when i feel that a have mastered it fully i will try PE.

[Pegasus]

Power to you MM, pe zen has a method like yours.
Many guys increase kegel effect by flexing stomach or leg muscles.

[Pegasus]

Here is a similar method https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...aculation.html